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Two Abortion Doctors Charged With Murder

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2 Abortion Providers Charged With Murder in Md.

It seems that they botched a procedure. That in itself might be medical malpractice, but not murder.

But then they searched their clinic and found some late-term fetuses, one possibly at 36 weeks.

Still, charging doctors with first-degree murder seems very troubling and seems to cross a line that ought to be defended by pro-choice people. It seems that the real goal is to intimidate doctors who provide abortion services or deter doctors from providing abortion services. The fewer doctors available to perform these services there are, the less actual choice there is.
 
Puppycow said:
Generally speaking I agree, but maybe there was a special reason?
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36 weeks is a full-term infant (nine months old). The only special reasons I can think of is either a stillbirth, or a delivered child that died shortly after being born - ie, that the infant died of natural causes and was not "aborted".

Anything else would pretty much be clear-cut infanticide, and therefore murder.
 
Puppycow said:
2 Abortion Providers Charged With Murder in Md.

It seems that they botched a procedure. That in itself might be medical malpractice, but not murder.

But then they searched their clinic and found some late-term fetuses, one possibly at 36 weeks.

Still, charging doctors with first-degree murder seems very troubling and seems to cross a line that ought to be defended by pro-choice people. It seems that the real goal is to intimidate doctors who provide abortion services or deter doctors from providing abortion services. The fewer doctors available to perform these services there are, the less actual choice there is.
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Interesting it may be that the abortions were some how outside the law in MD.

"The state law allows for murder or manslaughter charges to be brought against a person who intends to kill or seriously injure a fetus or who wantonly disregards the safety of a fetus. It does not apply to doctors administering lawful medical care and does not impinge on a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy."

So the prosecuting attorney is most likely going for re-election, unless the doctors really did not follow SOP in their practice.
 
I would think for first-degree, they would have to prove premeditation and intent. Unless first-degree now has special meaning for fetuses.

A botched procedure, even if they decided that the doctors were criminally liable for a human life, would usually just be manslaughter.
 
Nine *lunar* months, babies gestate for ten lunar months.

To be more specific, it was an eight-month-old fetus. Not full term.
 
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A search of the clinic after the botched abortion revealed a freezer containing 35 late-term fetuses, including one believed to have been aborted at 36 weeks, the documents show.
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I'm also pro-choice but this is disgusting. Put these butchers in prison for life.


They're giving all the ammo the pro-life activist need.
 
It can't be manslaughter if the doctor knew the baby was 36 weeks.

That's premeditated. The doctor planned it and carried out the procedure to kill a baby.

How is this any different from me planning to kill a baby outside of the womb? I should get charged with 1st degree.
 
Need more info. "Abortions" may be carried out on miscarried fetuses, or on those that are not viable. But a mother just dropping into the clinic asking for an almost full-term healthy baby to be terminated? No way I'd be in support of such a procedure carried out. Especially not several times. Almost smacks of eugenics.
 
I'm super pro-choice, but...

I've spent almost an hour investigating MD law, and it doesn't look too favorable to the defendants. I can't find anything in MD law which gives the state jurisdiction over the Supreme Court (which has already ruled that 3rd trimester pregnancies cannot be terminated without just cause with respect to the health of the mother.)

Assuming that such appeals to maternal health have not been exhausted, it appears that these doctors are murderers, according to law.

After spending an hour trying to find justification for these doctors, I re-read the original news piece and saw "A search of the clinic after the botched abortion revealed a freezer containing 35 late-term fetuses, including one believed to have been aborted at 36 weeks, the documents show.

Obviously these doctors thought that what they were doing was wrong since they hid the effects of their "work" in freezers.

I hope the book is thrown at them.
 
The Nimble Pianist said:
Obviously these doctors thought that what they were doing was wrong since they hid the effects of their "work" in freezer.
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This makes no sense at all. They thought what they were doing was wrong, so they carefully stored the evidence in a freezer.
 
kerikiwi said:
This makes no sense at all. They thought what they were doing was wrong, so they carefully stored the evidence in a freezer.
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You're right. It wouldn't make sense to keep evidence of what one would consider a crime. Maybe they didn't consider it a crime.

Either way (crime or not), there'd still be no reason to keep a freezed sample. I wonder why they kept it?
 
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Actually, I take that back.

If you know that what you've done is murder someone, then it would make sense that you'd keep the body, for nothing else but evidence's sake. Legitimate abortions don't result in the fetus being kept in a freezer.
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Care to explain to me ? That make no sense to keep bodies me. The first things I would do if I had murdered somebody would be to find way to discard the body ASAP possibly in a way which would not be detected (for example deep freezing a body might make sense if you decide afterward to reduce it in part, less messy and easier to handle solid chunks, but that would be temporary).
 
ANTPogo said:
36 weeks is a full-term infant (nine months old). The only special reasons I can think of is
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I can think of a special reason: the mom wants abortion. The baby is inside her. She needs help, but doing so is illegal. Her chances are getting help from a professional from under the desk, or from a witch doctor. Better a pro.
 
Aepervius said:
Care to explain to me ? That make no sense to keep bodies me. The first things I would do if I had murdered somebody would be to find way to discard the body ASAP possibly in a way which would not be detected (for example deep freezing a body might make sense if you decide afterward to reduce it in part, less messy and easier to handle solid chunks, but that would be temporary).
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I would think that finding a clever way to hide a body is one's best bet in getting away with a murder.

In any case, we're talking about a fetus, and I was too hasty in likening the fetus to an adult (or even adolescent) body.

Seriously, I can't think of any reason why these bozos kept the fetuses babies in their freezers. :confused:
 
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JJM 777 said:
I can think of a special reason: the mom wants abortion. The baby is inside her. She needs help, but doing so is illegal. Her chances are getting help from a professional from under the desk, or from a witch doctor. Better a pro.
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The woman got through 9 months of pregnancy, the better choice was to give birth at that point.

When the child is fully formed, abortion is no longer a legitimate choice, it's murder.
 
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