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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (part 3)

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Ron Obvious said:
No, it's an all-too-common desperation to cram the facts into preferred villain/victim narratives, rather than than dispassionately examining the facts.

It's merely the mirror image of the far right casting the Jews or progressives as the villains in every narrative and no more admirable. As sceptics, we should be above that.
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big difference is the jews or progressives aren't the villians. this guy was a nazi, covered in nazi tattoos, spending his free time talking about nazi stuff online. not a narrative, just who he was and what he did.
 
a_unique_person said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ed-three-women-mental-health-issues-rcna84884

Teen shoots and kills three elderly women,

His mother knew he had just bought a gun but didn't think anything of it.
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But Charlie Kirk says it's a small price to pay for our freedumbs:

"I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."
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shemp said:
But Charlie Kirk says it's a small price to pay for our freedumbs:



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"I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some 20,958* gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
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Fixed it for him.

* 2021 total. Does not include 26,328 firearm suicides.
 
Foster Zygote said:
Fixed it for him.

* 2021 total. Does not include 26,328 firearm suicides.
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In a sick way, I'd rather that guys like Kirk come right out and say it, as he did. Cards on the table and all that, no wink and nod bull ****. Just a simple "I don't mind your kids being killed in school as long as I can jerk off with my AR and fantasize about killing people and feel powerful".

But the flip side is normalizing that kind of thinking, and it becoming acceptable to say out loud. I don't want any kids, for instance, thinking that such thinking has any seat at the table in a civilized society.
 
Ron Obvious said:
No, it's an all-too-common desperation to cram the facts into preferred villain/victim narratives, rather than than dispassionately examining the facts.
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The only person who tried to do that was Bogative with his "I bet the media is hiding his identity because his motivation was to 'kill as many whiteys as I sees' ". It wasn't until it was revealed that he was deep into neo-Nazi, white supremacist culture that anyone addressed that.

It's merely the mirror image of the far right casting the Jews or progressives as the villains in every narrative and no more admirable. As sceptics, we should be above that.
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How morally upstanding of you to defend neo-Nazis, white supremacists and misogynists from being unjustly cast as villains.
 
Thermal said:
In a sick way, I'd rather that guys like Kirk come right out and say it, as he did. Cards on the table and all that, no wink and nod bull ****. Just a simple "I don't mind your kids being killed in school as long as I can jerk off with my AR and fantasize about killing people and feel powerful".

But the flip side is normalizing that kind of thinking, and it becoming acceptable to say out loud. I don't want any kids, for instance, thinking that such thinking has any seat at the table in a civilized society.
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I cheered when John Stewart told Nathan Dahm "you don't give a **** about dead children", and he just sat there and squirmed. Maybe a better strategy is to reduce their arguments to their essence like that, then watch them squirm as they visibly fail to admit that they don't give a **** about your kids being murdered, like the cowards they are.
 
Foster Zygote said:
I cheered when John Stewart told Nathan Dahm "you don't give a **** about dead children", and he just sat there and squirmed. Maybe a better strategy is to reduce their arguments to their essence like that, then watch them squirm as they visibly fail to admit that they don't give a **** about your kids being murdered, like the cowards they are.
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I do wonder if they could be shocked out of their attitude - normally I would say "shamed" but we know they have no shame.

If a parent of a murdered child was debating with him, would anything change if the parent held up a photo of their dead child showing the damage of the weapons he thinks are worth the death of that child?
 
Darat said:
I do wonder if they could be shocked out of their attitude - normally I would say "shamed" but we know they have no shame.

If a parent of a murdered child was debating with him, would anything change if the parent held up a photo of their dead child showing the damage of the weapons he thinks are worth the death of that child?
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Probably not.

More liable to say, "If only the child had been armed."
 
Darat said:
I do wonder if they could be shocked out of their attitude - normally I would say "shamed" but we know they have no shame.

If a parent of a murdered child was debating with him, would anything change if the parent held up a photo of their dead child showing the damage of the weapons he thinks are worth the death of that child?
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I think the only way the US is getting sane gun laws for the foreseeable future is if a white supremacist guns down one of the six far-rightists on the bench of the supreme court.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
I think the only way the US is getting sane gun laws for the foreseeable future is if a white supremacist guns down one of the six far-rightists on the bench of the supreme court.
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As a skeptic, I must point out that this is speculation, but it's very much a testable hypothesis.
 
Please. A clone of Hitler himself could murder every Conservative Judge on the bench while Trump rides on his back MasterBlaster style and the Right's response would be to shoot an unarmed black person in the back 37 times and require you to carry an AR-15 to vote.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Please. A clone of Hitler himself could murder every Conservative Judge on the bench while Trump rides on his back MasterBlaster style and the Right's response would be to shoot an unarmed black person in the back 37 times and require you to carry an AR-15 to vote.
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I tend to agree. None of these freaks wavered even a little when some guy with a rifle sprayed the Republican softball game.

Scalise was shot and will probably have permanent quality of life loss as a result and it didn't shake his faith. Commendable, in a very sick sort of way.

Scalise has been an opponent of gun control and was given an "A+ rating" from the National Rifle Association.[72][73] After being shot, and in the wake of the 2017 Las Vegas shooting, Scalise said on Meet the Press that he is still a gun rights supporter: "Don't try to put new laws in place that don't fix these problems. They only make it harder for law-abiding citizens to own a gun." Scalise has described the Second Amendment as "unlimited".[74]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Scalise
 
"Republican steadfastness would be commendable if they weren't wrong and horrible about everything."
 
TurkeysGhost said:
I tend to agree. None of these freaks wavered even a little when some guy with a rifle sprayed the Republican softball game.

Scalise was shot and will probably have permanent quality of life loss as a result and it didn't shake his faith. Commendable, in a very sick sort of way.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Scalise
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If the Second Amendment is "unlimited" then I suppose prisoners should be permitted to own and carry guns. I don't see the Founding Fathers saying they couldn't.
 
TragicMonkey said:
If the Second Amendment is "unlimited" then I suppose prisoners should be permitted to own and carry guns. I don't see the Founding Fathers saying they couldn't.
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Along with felons and anyone who appears before Congress or The Supreme Court. Also curious how many of these politicians hold events that don't permit firearms.
 
Darat said:
I do wonder if they could be shocked out of their attitude - normally I would say "shamed" but we know they have no shame.

If a parent of a murdered child was debating with him, would anything change if the parent held up a photo of their dead child showing the damage of the weapons he thinks are worth the death of that child?
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I've said it might be time to make Republican legislators pose in front of crime scene photos of children killed with high power rifles whenever they want to talk about their interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. But there was a time when I'd have thought that simply knowing that such things were happening with alarming regularity would have been enough to make a demand for change virtually unanimous. I'm so sick at heart of this ******* ******** that I honestly fear that it would just be the first step to normalizing such horrific images.
 
Back to our regularly scheduled mass shootings.

14 wounded in Clarksdale, Mississippi in a dispute that began at a "concert" and escalated after "two groups" stumbled onto one another on the street a short time later.

Judging by the security camera footage, these 2 groups were not composed of members of White supremacist terrorist groups the the federal government keeps warning us about.

https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/1...cle_6e679f88-f8d3-11ed-9147-334cd25155fe.html
 
Bogative said:
Back to our regularly scheduled mass shootings.

14 wounded in Clarksdale, Mississippi in a dispute that began at a "concert" and escalated after "two groups" stumbled onto one another on the street a short time later.

Judging by the security camera footage, these 2 groups were not composed of members of White supremacist terrorist groups the the federal government keeps warning us about.

https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/1...cle_6e679f88-f8d3-11ed-9147-334cd25155fe.html
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Another mass shooting in a state with very loose gun laws. Oh well.
 
TragicMonkey said:
If the Second Amendment is "unlimited" then I suppose prisoners should be permitted to own and carry guns. I don't see the Founding Fathers saying they couldn't.
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Why stop at guns? If nukes are outlawed, only the outlaws will have nukes. And who's the government to tell me I can't drive down the freeway in an M1 Abrams?
 
TragicMonkey said:
If the Second Amendment is "unlimited" then I suppose prisoners should be permitted to own and carry guns. I don't see the Founding Fathers saying they couldn't.
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Who has argued that the second amendment is unlimited and immune from any and all regulation?
 
Susheel said:
Can you deny that the "second amendmendists" aren't actually working towards this?
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Can you prove they are?

If so, why even ask the question, just present the evidence. If not, of course he can deny it if there's no evidence for it.
 
Lplus said:
Can you prove they are?

If so, why even ask the question, just present the evidence. If not, of course he can deny it if there's no evidence for it.
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Well the fact that most red states seem to be keen on expanding access to guns and diluting restrictions on purchase and carry laws seems to belie your shock/horror at my calling out Hercules56 statement.

Oh yeah...you need to have them actually verbally state it in those exact same words.
 
Susheel said:
Well the fact that most red states seem to be keen on expanding access to guns and diluting restrictions on purchase and carry laws seems to belie your shock/horror at my calling out Hercules56 statement.

Oh yeah...you need to have them actually verbally state it in those exact same words.
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Yep, otherwise it just looks like a leading question asked in bad faith in order to castigate another poster who's views you disagree with.
 
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation...creates-turmoil-over-gun-laws-in-lower-courts

In the California case, U.S. District Judge George Wu, who was nominated by President George W. Bush, appeared to take a dig at how other judges are interpreting the Supreme Court’s guidance.
The company that brought the challenge — “and apparently certain other courts” — would like to treat the Supreme Court’s decision “as a ‘word salad,’ choosing an ingredient from one side of the ‘plate’ and an entirely-separate ingredient from the other, until there is nothing left whatsoever other than an entirely-bulletproof and unrestrained Second Amendment,” Wu wrote in his ruling.
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