Time for panic at the White House?

Neally said:
Will there be a shakeup before the election?
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It's possible but I rather doubt it. This President doesn't seem to get it. He keeps pushing for the same types of policies even after they have been shown to be failures. An example would be the new stimulus package he offered in his speech to congress last week. Just as he can't let go of his policy failures and failed ideologies, likewise he will be unable to let go of his staff and cabinet members, the very advisors who help him maintain the fail.
 
Dumb All Over said:
It's possible but I rather doubt it. This President doesn't seem to get it. He keeps pushing for the same types of policies even after they have been shown to be failures. An example would be the new stimulus package he offered in his speech to congress last week. Just as he can't let go of his policy failures and failed ideologies, likewise he will be unable to let go of his staff and cabinet members, the very advisors who help him maintain the fail.
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You have a point. Obama should just cut taxes on the wealthy to 0, and sit back and watch all the jobs be created........in China.

I drive across a bridge every day that was built in 1935 during the Great Depesion. It put thousands to work, and is still being used to this day in it's original form. It has paid for itself many times over in fuel costs, and time savings. We, as a nation, have lost that ability to look forward.
 
TheNooch said:
You have a point.
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I'm pretty sure my point has nothing to do with cutting taxes on the wealthy to zero. I'm not sure where you are getting that.

Out of curiosity, what bridge are you speaking about? Did it really take thousands to build this bridge? If so, it truly does sound like this bridge was built by a government committee. Once the bridge was built, what happened to the thousands of workers?
 
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My biggest criticism of Obama on the economy is that he seems overly concerned with getting something done no matter what that something is. He doesn't appear to be committed to a strategy other than "compromise". I understand the practicalities of that approach, but it means any "solution" will be a hodge podge of ideas, as he himself says, that won't 100% satisfy anyone, but which also don't reflect a consistent approach to the problem. You can't try N and not-N at the same time, IMO.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
My biggest criticism of Obama on the economy is that he seems overly concerned with getting something done no matter what that something is. He doesn't appear to be committed to a strategy other than "compromise". I understand the practicalities of that approach, but it means any "solution" will be a hodge podge of ideas, as he himself says, that won't 100% satisfy anyone, but which also don't reflect a consistent approach to the problem. You can't try N and not-N at the same time, IMO.
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Agreed. He should have thown his weight around more and put the GOP into a vice where they had to accept what he wanted. He could have easily done this by executive orders and by treating the debt ceiling as nonexistent because it is clearly unconstitutional.

Problem is that he is afraid of the right wing noise machine. He knows that the minute he does anything that would push recovery of the country ahead that the GOP did not agree to, he will be roasted because he is a Democrat and because he is Black. (More the former than the latter, but not by much.)

What he hasn't figured out is that he is alienating HIS base thereby, and the GOP are going to invent something to trash him for no matter what he does.

He should right now say "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"
 
BenBurch said:
Problem is that he is afraid of the right wing noise machine. He knows that the minute he does anything that would push recovery of the country ahead that the GOP did not agree to, he will be roasted because he is a Democrat and because he is Black. (More the former than the latter, but not by much.)
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Is not accepting ideas from black people a part of the GOP platform now? Do you really think they would go along with him if he were white?
 
BenBurch said:
What he hasn't figured out is that he is alienating HIS base thereby, and the GOP are going to invent something to trash him for no matter what he does.
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He and all of his advisers, consultants, with polls and articles, can't figure this out? Why is that?
 
Obama campaigned on a middle path and tryinig to build consensus and I think that's informed his policy behaviour up until this point. The repblicans never suffered any illusions in this regard and took an adversarial role throughout. They were rewarded for it in the 2010 midterms so the idea they're going to all of a sudden look to work with him is not reality. I think the administration is slowly trying to pivot away from his previous mode of bipartisan consensus and compromise; but I think he's a bit stuck as that's been his refrain since his speech to the Dem convention in 2004. To get relected though, he's going to need to change his tune. His speeches this week have definitely been more combative.
 
Neally said:
He and all of his advisers, consultants, with polls and articles, can't figure this out? Why is that?
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I wish I could tell you. He seems to be utterly tone-deaf on this.

He cannot satisfy the Right even if he gave in on every single thing they demand (which would be a disaster as they are asking for things they know they will not get and they know would be bad if they got them, but they are safe in the demands as they will never be met.)

But he still tries to placate them.

He hasn't learned that diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice Doggie!" while you are looking for a brick.
 
BenBurch said:
I think (know) that there are a significant number of those who have chosen to become vocal about this President who only see the color of his skin.
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Could you give us specific examples of people who actually agree with Obama's politics but reject them because he is black?
 
respect said:
Could you give us specific examples of people who actually agree with Obama's politics but reject them because he is black?
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No, but I can give you specific examples of people who disagree with his politics but were silent under previous presidents, and who were only motivated to become political because a black man became President.
 
BenBurch said:
No, but I can give you specific examples of people who disagree with his politics but were silent under previous presidents, and who were only motivated to become political because a black man became President.
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Okay, who?
 
BenBurch said:
No, but I can give you specific examples of people who disagree with his politics but were silent under previous presidents, and who were only motivated to become political because a black man became President.
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Ah. Correlation=causation, when it comes to race, then?
 
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