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"Thrive": It's the New Woo Revue, coming right at you

Myriad

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Has anyone watched this? Link.

From the trailer and from reviews of it, "Thrive" is a documentary about free energy, the mysterious powers of the torus, the evils of the Federal Reserve Bank, UFOs, secret societies, conspiracies (including 9/11 according to reviews), crop circles, evil pharma, global warming as a hoax -- or basically, a compendium of nearly every kind of woo there is. It seems reminiscent of Zeitgeist (but going much farther) in attempting to weave divergent strands of woo together.

So divergent, in fact, that this thread could just as easily be in the CT subforum, or Science (for the free energy parts), or Social Issues or Politics (for the crypto-libertarian activism). Since I didn't see the film I don't know how much of it is focused on the UFO Space Brothers part, or other paranormal aspects.

If Thrive hasn't yet appeared on the radar here at JREF, that could be because the producers have taken steps to prevent free viewing. It seems to be designed to lure "occupiers" into the free energy circle (or torus?) but in the process it's creating some friction with the peak-oil-doom/energy-contraction/transition crowds. It agrees superficially with some transition ideals (supporting renewable energy, sustainable farming, and local-self sufficiency) while also making free energy and conspiracy claims that would render peak oil, transition, and energy contraction moot.

Remaining to be answered:

How long will the pay per view distribution model hold out, before declining interest (or bit torrent) forces them to allow the documentary into free channels?

Is the agenda just packaging up Gamble's delusions, or is there a more focused purpose? For example, is all the other stuff just a trojan horse for the "support free energy research" goal, to grease the way for an emerging free energy scam?

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
I have no comment on the "documentary," but I just wanted to say thanks a friggin' lot for getting the "New Zoo Revue" theme stuck in my head for the first time in well over 30 years.
 
Can you get past the "give us your email address" screen without giving them an email address?
 
Myriad said:
the mysterious powers of the torus,
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Nothing mysterious. Just like every other CT, its the joos

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Can you get past the "give us your email address" screen without giving them an email address?
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Try again now. I got no such screen.

Scientist and philosopher, Arthur Young, explained that a torus is the only energy pattern or dynamic that can sustain itself and is made out of the same substance as its surroundings – like a tornado, a smoke ring in the air, or a whirlpool in water.
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A tornado can sustain itself? I thought it eventually ran out of juice and dissipated:confused:? Why do they use such temporary phenomena as examples when there are actual cycles that do repeat themselves indefinetly and "sustain themselve" to a much higher degree? Such as water falling as rain, running into oceans, evaporating, and falling as rain again?

1. Compile stupid ****.
2. Make even more stupid **** up.
3. Make video combinging the material of 1 and 2.
4. Fact checking is for the narrow-minded.
5. Profit!
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Can you get past the "give us your email address" screen without giving them an email address?
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I watched the trailer and perused the site without seeing any such screen, or entering any e-mail address (or any other text). Maybe the site grabbed it from me automatically somehow, but so far (since Friday) they haven't sent me any emails. I didn't try to purchase a viewing of the film.

Have you tried just entering a fake address?

ETA: The trailer is on YouTube, if there are concerns the site could be untrustworthy.
 
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All the world's woo, rolled up into one giant spliff. Dude, it's like so, deep.
 
I went to the trailer on Youtube to stay away from the pay for the movie site. It was easier. This is the typical, the corporations are keeping this from you, blah blah blah.

Classic CT woo. I'm sure they'll make a handsom profit with this ruse. It's amazing how many times you can fool people with the same garbage.
 
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I made it through just over one minute of the trailer, before a Cosmologist told me how a mark was not carved, but burned into the rock of an Egyptian temple. Do they teach forensic archeology in cosmology school?
 
So the oil companies wont invest in it because it can't be metered? Then why not just make everyone pay a flat rate?
 
As long as the power company is supplying my home with 120 VAC 60 Hz, they can meter it perfectly well using the same meter they've got now. Even if they were generating it with magic energy donuts.

There is the possibility that I could finance my own magic energy donut instead of using the electricity from theirs. That would require them to lower the price below what the magic energy donut would cost me over time. But in that case their costs would be lower too; with economies of scale they should do just fine.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Clear Compass Media - Holistic & Paranormal promotions

Clear Compass Media which produced Thrive is heavily energized by paranormal proponents and the holistic industry. Take the 1970 Chariots of the Gods movie created with Erich von Daniken and mix in updated doses of paranormal jargon and slightly out-of-date New Age hocus pocus and you get Thrive.

Thrive Co-Director Kimberly Carter Gamble (and also the CEO of Clear Compass Media) can be seen in other Clear Compass Media promotional pieces. She is a strong advocate of alternative cancer cures which she believes have been government and industry suppressed. See her 2-minute Clear Compass Media produced video clip at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWRzikJ3iso

This all a bit intriguing as her husband (and the Co-Director on Thrive) is a several-step generation heir off the Procter & Gamble company (the 50+ brands producer including of Tide, Duracell, Cover Girl, Gillette, Crest, Clairol, NyQuil). He is apparently --- and highly likely ---not tied to the company in any employment or management capacity. I would assume his public views and inclinations are however sometime concerns to the company and other Gamble family members.

I admit and disclose that I have provided consulting as an private party public advocate showcasing realistic science and ethical business strategies. Some of those are apparently either not understood or are being rejected as sensible choices by many supporters of concepts showcased in Thrive. My background working with consumer product companies, private shareholders, and the public sector in marketing and communications is extensive --- and so Thrive sticks out as rational obfuscation.

While I’m not familiar with the person behind ‘Muerto’s Blog’ which surfaced last November it covers Thrive and the promotional pseudoscience claims exceedingly well at http://muertos.blog.com/2011/11/12/the-next-conspiracy-movie-the-trailer-for-thrive-debunked/

It’s also worth noting that Clear Compass Media is not connected with Compass Media which is associated with a far more diverse client base including Democratic Party and environmental marketing campaigns. Not paranormal pseudoscience and alternative “suppressed” holistic cancer cures. Those who know me in the JREF are aware my concerns involving psychics began by attempts to stop falsehoods as a National Council Against Health Fraud member examining "psychic vibration cures" for cancer and other claims.

If you’re wondering who paranormal and holistic insiders turn to for supportive marketing and sales --- you’ve found one of many with Clear Compass Media. I would strongly suggest staying with well developed and tested product lines, accredited medical care treatments, and cancer cures.
 
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It's already 'torrent-able'. I'm not going to watch it though, my tin-foil hat is in the cleaners.
 
Ah, turns it was reviewed last November in Swift, here. The review is brief; most of the article goes on to talk about free-energy and conspiracy claims in a general way.

I did search for any previous forum thread on it, and found none. The "Thrive Debunked" blog that Kuko linked to above, suggests that from the available evidence, Thrive appears to be, so far, a flop. (I wonder how many of those DVD hundred-packs they've sold. A round number, perhaps? A hundred DVDs could be arranged into a very nice torus shape.)

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
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I wonder how many of those DVD hundred-packs they've sold. A round number, perhaps? A hundred DVDs could be arranged into a very nice torus shape
Myriad
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ah, but here you prove your point. Assume I start with 1.

Now I add a torus that has no value. I now have 10.

add another and I have 100.

Just two of those magical tori, which have no value in themselves have multiplied my value a hundred fold.
 
Myriad said:
As long as the power company is supplying my home with 120 VAC 60 Hz, they can meter it perfectly well using the same meter they've got now. Even if they were generating it with magic energy donuts.

There is the possibility that I could finance my own magic energy donut instead of using the electricity from theirs. That would require them to lower the price below what the magic energy donut would cost me over time. But in that case their costs would be lower too; with economies of scale they should do just fine.
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There are fixed costs associated with maintaining the power grid -- repairing lines, etc. At a certain point, at least out in the suburbs, it would likely become cheaper to install a magical energy donut down next to the furnace in most homes, rather than run power lines to a central magical energy donut.
Some urban areas might still have collective magical energy donuts within their infrastructure. But the situation might become more like water/sewer, where there are significant trade-offs between individual and community supply.
 
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