"There are no Palestinians"

[Jedi Knight]

There are no Palestinians.

This is a great article because of the facts it contains and the briefness that it makes its point.

From the article: The Palestinians want their own country. There's just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians. It's a made up word. Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years. Like "Wiccan," "Palestinian" sounds ancient but is really a modern invention. Before the Israelis won the land in war, Gaza was owned by Egypt, and there were no "Palestinians" then, and the West Bank was owned by Jordan, and there were no "Palestinians" then. As soon as the Jews took over and started growing oranges as big as basketballs, what do you know, say hello to the "Palestinians," weeping for their deep bond with their lost "land" and "nation."

Absolutely true.

JK

 

[GrapeJ713]

another funny quote from that link

So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word "Palestinian" any more to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone points out they're being taped. Instead, let's call them what they are: "Other Arabs Who Can't Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death."http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=7403

The way I see it, if I was a minority in a piece of land taken over by a conquering army and every other country bordering the place I was in were 'my people' I would MOVE instead of whining about my homeland.

Historic juxtaposition here, England vs. China in the Opium War in the 1800s. England took Hong Kong as the spoils of war. Many chinese chose to stay there under the yoke of a foriegn power. I'm sure if anyone didn't like it, they just got on a boat to the mainland. And Hong Kong thrived basically because it was a free market paradise and chinese flocked into Hong Kong for jobs and a better standard of living. There was racism and tensions between anglos and the chinese but most everyone was too busy making money to fight each other.
I think the widespread socialism exacerbates the problem in the Middle East.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Re: another funny quote from that link

So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word "Palestinian" any more to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone points out they're being taped. Instead, let's call them what they are: "Other Arabs Who Can't Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death."http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=7403

The way I see it, if I was a minority in a piece of land taken over by a conquering army and every other country bordering the place I was in were 'my people' I would MOVE instead of whining about my homeland.

Historic juxtaposition here, England vs. China in the Opium War in the 1800s. England took Hong Kong as the spoils of war. Many chinese chose to stay there under the yoke of a foriegn power. I'm sure if anyone didn't like it, they just got on a boat to the mainland. And Hong Kong thrived basically because it was a free market paradise and chinese flocked into Hong Kong for jobs and a better standard of living. There was racism and tensions between anglos and the chinese but most everyone was too busy making money to fight each other.
I think the widespread socialism exacerbates the problem in the Middle East.

The so-called "Palestinians" are used as a proxy force to destroy the Jews. That is the only object of importance the other states in the region have for the Palestinians.

JK

 

[Ben Shniper]

Re: Re: another funny quote from that link

The so-called "Palestinians" are used as a proxy force to destroy the Jews. That is the only object of importance the other states in the region have for the Palestinians.

JK

In fact, Arafat and Edward Said are both from Egypt. They made the whole thing up just to use it as an excuse to continue to attack Israel indefinately.

-Ben

 

[Jedi Knight]

Re: Re: Re: another funny quote from that link

In fact, Arafat and Edward Said are both from Egypt. They made the whole thing up just to use it as an excuse to continue to attack Israel indefinately.

-Ben

One of these days Arafat is going to fall off a stage like Castro and then it will all be over.

JK

 

[Baker]

Re: Re: Re: another funny quote from that link

What a surprise no one from the anti-Israel side has responded well this would rune the excuse of Israel being the invader’s from foreign lands theory.

 

[Mr Manifesto]

That is the biggest load of revisionist garbage I have ever seen. How can anyone respond to ignorance so profound? There is no difference between this and the rantings of David Irving. No one has responded to it because you may as well respond to the rantings of a schizophrenic lunatic trying to tell him the voices aren't real.

 

[Tony]

That is the biggest load of revisionist garbage I have ever seen. How can anyone respond to ignorance so profound? There is no difference between this and the rantings of David Irving. No one has responded to it because you may as well respond to the rantings of a schizophrenic lunatic trying to tell him the voices aren't real.

care to back up your assertions with facts?

 

[Guest]

"The way I see it, if I was a minority in a piece of land taken over by a conquering army and every other country bordering the place I was in were 'my people' I would MOVE instead of whining about my homeland."

Easy to say. If it were me, I'd likely do whatever I could to annoy the sh** out of the conquering army and make it too costly for them to stay.

 

[Cain]

That is the biggest load of revisionist garbage I have ever seen. How can anyone respond to ignorance so profound? There is no difference between this and the rantings of David Irving. No one has responded to it because you may as well respond to the rantings of a schizophrenic lunatic trying to tell him the voices aren't real.

Yep.

Oh, and I suppose those evil so-called "homosexuals" never popped into existence until the late 19th century, suspiciously around the same time the world-wide communist conspiracy began to take hold.

From Everything2: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1240607&displaytype=printable

The linked node is a response accusations not unlike those contained in JK's fatuous article. Fortunately, since E2 does have editors that regulate for quality control, the original node has been nuked.

Two snippets:

"The term "Palestine" is a Roman invention, and a Palestinian might as well come from anywhere."

Nope. UNRWA uses the term as a reference to Mandatory Palestine, as in the British Mandate before 1948, an area with strictly defined boundaries (which largely correspond to Israel's present-day borders, mind you). All the people living in the area, be they Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze or Samaritans, were Palestinians. "Israel" is a Hebrew term loaded with Jewish religious connotations and it has now been adopted as the name of the Jewish state, along with the word Israeli for those living in the state, so these days the term "Palestinians" refers to the former and current inhabitants of the region who are not citizens of Israel.

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As for the historical justification of the Palestinian and Jewish claims, Golda Meir famously stated that there are no Palestinians, and it is quite true that there has never been a specifically "Palestinian" state. The towns of what is now Israel and the Occupied Territories have always belonged to one empire or another. The area was already settled before its conquest by the Israelites c. 1200 BC, and it was to be reconquered again and again, twice by the Jews, the other times by the Babylonians, the Persians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Byzantines, the Arabs, the Crusaders, the Mamluks, the Ottomans... and throughout these thousands of years of warfare, people, the people we now call the Palestinian people, lived here, assimilating influences and immigration from here and there. The First Aliyah, on the other hand, only started in 1882, and the only thing that separates the Jewish claim to the land from all the others is religion, a religion which, needless to say, the other claimants disagree with.

 

[Cleopatra]

That is the biggest load of revisionist garbage I have ever seen. How can anyone respond to ignorance so profound? There is no difference between this and the rantings of David Irving. No one has responded to it because you may as well respond to the rantings of a schizophrenic lunatic trying to tell him the voices aren't real.

The fact that none of the people who usually show interest in the issue of Middle East , has posted in this thread, should have made you think my friend...and helped you keep your fingers off the keyboard

I hope none else who shares my feelings about the need of common sense, replies after this...

Thank you.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Leftist Jew-haters can't argue against my brilliant post, Cleo. They will talk smack about Jews all day long here saying it is "Israel's fault this" and "Israel's fault that", but when I post a simple fact of history they run from the thread as they have run from this one.

JK

 

[Kopji]

If America were being attacked with an Oklahoma City every day, we would all very shortly be screaming for the administration to just be done with it and kill everything south of the Mediterranean and east of the Jordan. (Hey, wait a minute, that's actually not such a bad idea. . . .ooh, that is, what a horrible thought, yeah, horrible. . . .) -from the quoted material

Some of the lack in response might be due to the cynical conclusion the posted editorial makes: That the answer to all our problems lies in indiscriminate killing of those who disagree. (Within certain geographical boundaries of course).

I mean, the author does not even seem to realize that the Oklahoma bombing was by AMERICAN terrorists, not mideast ones. Does not make the opinion long on coherence.

The 'No Palestinians?' argument may have some validity, but I do not see that we can deny that events have created the word. After all, they have been living in "refugee camps" for 50 years, how enlightened a solution is that?

Seems disingenuous (ok, wussy) to complain that a people called "Palestinians" have arisen from this mess.

The term "Native Americans" or "American Indians" did not really arise until Europeans were all set up nice and cozy here. Does that mean the term is not valid to describe a particular group of people? No, language is dynamic and changes as we and the world changes.

(And I am generally pro Israel).

 

[Baker]

Some of the lack in response might be due to the cynical conclusion the posted editorial makes: That the answer to all our problems lies in indiscriminate killing of those who disagree. (Within certain geographical boundaries of course).

I didn't see this point being made in the article?

I mean, the author does not even seem to realize that the Oklahoma bombing was by AMERICAN terrorists, not mideast ones. Does not make the opinion long on coherence.

They where referring to an Oklahoma City type bombing not who did it if we had bombings with the same massive killings daily people would be calling for a the destruction of those responsible.

The 'No Palestinians?' argument may have some validity, but I do not see that we can deny that events have created the word. After all, they have been living in "refugee camps" for 50 years, how enlightened a solution is that?

You have heard about those "Palestinian refugees," who claim "right of return" to Israel. Of course, virtually none of them ever lived in Israel -- they are the children and mostly grandchildren of those who fled in 1948. The total number of those who fled in 1948 is estimated to have been about 650,000. Now the number who wish to return has swollen to almost five million!
These so-called "Palestinian refugees" have not been allowed to settle in any Arab nation.
Little is heard of the 800,000 Jewish refugees from Arab countries, who fled those countries to settle in Israel.

The Arab "refugees" who fled Israel left little wealth and little history, since most of them had not come to "Palestine" until Jewish settlers opened economic opportunities in what had been a desolate country for centuries. But the Jews of Arab lands have a history going back thousands of years. When forced to flee, they left behind land, wealth, and a long history. They arrived in Israel, quite literally only "with their shirts on their backs." They now make up almost 60% of the population of Israel.

The Arabs, the richest people in the world, done with their "refugees" in more than 50 years? They have kept them in misery, on the dole of the world, and have taught their hopeless youth the "skills" of suicide missions and of slaughtering defenseless and unarmed men, women, and children.
If the Arab nations truly decided to make peace with Israel and to put an end to the century-long strife, they could easily accomplish it by accepting the "Palestinian refugees" in their countries.