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The Solution to the Palestine Problem

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Gazan teenagers have no future other than war. One rocket master killed is immediately replaced by three young men for whom a martyr's death is no less honorable than victory.
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So how do we bring about peace in Gaza? Let these angry, violent, unskilled young men emigrate to the west!

If the West prefers calm around Gaza even before 2025, it may consider offering immigration to those young Palestinians only born because of the West's well-meant but cruelly misguided aid. In the decades to come, North America and Europe will have to take in tens of millions of immigrants anyway to slow the aging of their populations. If, say, 200,000 of them are taken from the 360,000 boys coming of age in Gaza in the next 15 years, that would be a negligible move for the big democracies but a quantum leap for peace in the Near East.
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Link.

Gunnar Heinsohn, the author, "heads the Raphael Lemkin Institute at the University of Bremen, Europe's first institute devoted to comparative genocide research."

Can anyone tell me what "comparative genocide research" is supposed to be?
 
Nah, won't work. Move Israel to Nevada. Problem Fixed.
 
BPSCG said:
So how do we bring about peace in Gaza? Let these angry, violent, unskilled young men emigrate to the west! ...
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You just cannot make this stuff up.

Racially cleanse rather than address the apartheid policy, or the ongoing land theft activities, or the bulldozing of the houses of innocent women and children, the disproportionate killing of children, the official policy of the IDF going 'wild' in Gaza (see Livni), the collective punishment of putting the entire population of Gaza on a 'diet', the creation of a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, the repeated destruction of UN buildings, vehicles and personnel, the policy of ignoring the law in Israel regarding apartheid walls and international reporters etc, the policy of ignoring decades of UN resolutions, the official assassination policy, the killing of untried people in ways that guarantee the deaths of innocent men, women and children, the subjection the population of Gaza to a 'shoah' etc etc.

Ah, It is a BPSCG thread.

That explains everything.
 
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So how do we bring about peace in Gaza? Let these angry, violent, unskilled young men emigrate to the west!
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atleast a little bit better than driving them into the sea....
 
BPSCG said:
So how do we bring about peace in Gaza? Let these angry, violent, unskilled young men emigrate to the west!
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I don't agree with the author cited that it's the only or best recourse, but it definitely would be a heck of a lot better than our current attempts at some type of a solution. Providing a series of exchange-student-like programs for Palestinian youth to give them access to the wider world and then letting them go back better equipped could also help, but exactly how that could be done without coming across as condescending-- because I think it does come across as a little condescending to these people, who are every bit as smart as any of us in general-- is a problem that many current and prior attempts to bring aid and education into the needier parts of Palestine have met.

Most of all, though, Palestine needs to be given a way to get out of the dependency on Israel that actually encourages and promotes stability and strength (as opposed to sink-or-swim). Most Palestinians don't simply have animosity toward Israel for simply existing (despite what Hamas propaganda promotes), it's that most Palestinians really do feel like their own existence hinges on the desires and whims of Israel and they begrudge that deeply. The more likely a Palestinian is to feel that their home is their own to have a stake in , to work from, and to have lives in, the less likely they'll be to lob rockets at Israel, who they believe (rightly or wrongly) is out to deprive them of those homes and kick them out for moving more settlers in. That's not just a Gaza problem, either-- just last month I was reading the complaints of several people and families in east Jerusalem who were being evicted from their homes in the middle of the night by police or soldiers, only to have settlers moved in by the following afternoon and no judges that would hear their cases for complaint.

The cynic in me wonders how successful the West can be. The systems of inequity between Palestine and Israel probably actually boil down to being not as bad as the worst of the complaints by the Palestinian side and not as good as the best of the claims by the Israeli side, with both sides pushing against each other and continuing the turmoil. Those are essentially the same kind of system of inequity as anywhere in the West, but usually more diffused through either more containable space or the anger remaining at a low simmer instead of the full spilling-over boil that is present in Palestine. There's a saying I came across recently-- "We blame our times when we should blame ourselves" (ironically, it's attributed as an 'Arabic proverb')-- that I think the larger Western community as a whole (though not individual groups in particular) could benefit from understanding on a fundamental level. I'm not saying it's the West's fault or that the blame can be hung on any single group's shoulders for the current situation there, but I am saying that all interested parties-- not just one side or one interest group, but all parties that have any interest in the outcome-- have at least some blame they need to be aware of and admit to for any useful trust to be established between Israel and Palestine if we want the fighting to stop quickly. I just don't think it's going to happen (hence the cynical part).
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
You just cannot make this stuff up.

Racially cleanse rather than address the apartheid policy, or the ongoing land theft activities, or the bulldozing of the houses of innocent women and children, the disproportionate killing of children, the official policy of the IDF going 'wild' in Gaza (see Livni), the collective punishment of putting the entire population of Gaza on a 'diet', the creation of a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, the repeated destruction of UN buildings, vehicles and personnel, the policy of ignoring the law in Israel regarding apartheid walls and international reporters etc, the policy of ignoring decades of UN resolutions, the official assassination policy, the killing of untried people in ways that guarantee the deaths of innocent men, women and children, the subjection the population of Gaza to a 'shoah' etc etc.

Ah, It is a BPSCG thread.

That explains everything.
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As usual, your argument is nothing more than the hurling of personal abuse and demonisation. Thank you for once again making my argument for me.
 
Two states. Israel within the slightly adjusted 1967 borders..and Palestine with slightly adjusted West Bank borders. This is the only way.
 
BPSCG said:
So how do we bring about peace in Gaza? Let these angry, violent, unskilled young men emigrate to the west!

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It would actually be much easier to have all the Jews move to Europe and the USA. The Jews have huge support structures already in place, the money get enough planes to do the job, and there is lots of open land in the USA to put them.

If any population would be cleansed from Palestine..it would be the Jews..not the Arabs.

So be careful when you call for ethnic cleansing.
 
parky76 said:
It would actually be much easier to have all the Jews move to Europe and the USA. The Jews have huge support structures already in place, the money get enough planes to do the job, and there is lots of open land in the USA to put them.

If any population would be cleansed from Palestine..it would be the Jews..not the Arabs.

So be careful when you call for ethnic cleansing.
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I beg your pardon; could you please show me where I called for ethnic cleansing?
 
What's wrong with Israel moving to Nevada? Moving Palestinians first, then Syrians, then Iranians and then the rest of the Arab and Persian Middle East is pretty absurd anyway.

And what is the "West" in this Idea? The US? Europe? LOL? [You think they would be welcomed?]

Nevada is a friendly, pro-Israel place - and it's climate and landscape are somewhat comparable to Israel as well. And concerning these religious concerns: Rebuild the holy whatever in the Nevada Desert and if Jesus, God or Elvis comes back, he won't even notice the difference.
 
Careful Oliver, in the absense of smilies some people just might think you are serious.
 
BPSCG said:
So how do we bring about peace in Gaza? Let these angry, violent, unskilled young men emigrate to the west!

Link.

Gunnar Heinsohn, the author, "heads the Raphael Lemkin Institute at the University of Bremen, Europe's first institute devoted to comparative genocide research."

Can anyone tell me what "comparative genocide research" is supposed to be?
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They tried that experiment when they created Australia.
 
Oliver said:
What's wrong with Israel moving to Nevada?
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That two weeks later, a Palestinian terrorist organization calling for the destruction of the "illegal Zionist entity" in "Occupied Nevada" will start hijacking planes and blowing people up.
 
They should try not to get the states involved. This might dampen some of the nationalism. Just let the people live side by side.

The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.
George Orwell
 
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