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The Second Roberts-Fetzer Debate

The bit where Fetzer was trying to use data from the black-box found at the pentagon to show that no plane hit the pentagon was stellar.
 
Wow. Just wow.

Did you really spend an hour and a half in the same room as him without passing out from IQ loss?
 
jsiv said:
Wow. Just wow.

Did you really spend an hour and a half in the same room as him without passing out from IQ loss?
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I gotta say that the face of surprise on uncle Fester in #2 was classic. BTW, I loved when Gravy told him that he can let go now :)
 
I loveit at 11:40. Mark brings out the passenger manifests, much to Fetzers dismay. Fetzer then, as usual, tries to do the old switcheroo...

Mark: " I have them right here" (the manifests)
Fetzer: "Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11"

Internet Audience....laughing.

TAM:)
 
Mark...classic example of what happens to Fetzer when you actually make him stay on a point for more than 30 seconds is when you cornered him on Hanjours pilots licence...I have never seen him stagger and stumble for his words so much.

TAM:)
 
My favorite Gravy quote, referring to David Ray Griffen, "He is a scholar who gets everything wrong."
 
Much better...part 2. Mark actually got to speak.

In the end, it shows that with people like Fetzer, you will never convince because anything that is proof of the official story is automatically "fabricated" and "planted".

TAM:)
 
I like at 11:07 when Fetzer said "Mark, enough" *puts hand on Gravy's shoulder*

I'm still watching it now, great job so far Mark!
 
T.A.M. said:
In the end, it shows that with people like Fetzer, you will never convince because anything that is proof of the official story is automatically "fabricated" and "planted".
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Indeed. He simply holds the idea that there was a conspiracy as an a priori belief. He makes that more than clear on a number of occasions.
 
"Mark, they can't have seen things that didn't happen."

Classic. Fetzer seems to have come pretty unprepared, or at least seems to have come without evidence. He has the same exact mindset as a few semi-truthers I've debated at school about the Pentagon.
Him: "It was a missile"
me: "No it wasn't, here are several quotes of people who saw the plane strike, here's aircraft debris, here are some scorched bodies from the plane, here's an article saying that all except for one passenger had been positively identified."
Him: "It was a missile."

etc...we all know how it goes.

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lmao! FINALLY! Mark said "You can let go now" to Fetzer when he kept putting his hand on Mark's shoulder. It looked like a fist fight was about to break out for a second there. :)
 
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Mark nails him on the manifests and Fetzer jumps over to the hijacker flight skills.

Nail him on the flight skills and he talks about Flight 77's blackbox.
 
Wow!

Mr. Fetzer, if you're reading, I'd like to have a chat with your "aeronautical engineer" who claims a 757 at that speed couldn't descend below 60 feet, even if flat and level. In particular, I'd like to ask him just where the hell he went to school... :D

Another lying Scholar bites the dust, and we haven't even watched Part III yet.
 
R.Mackey said:
Wow!

Mr. Fetzer, if you're reading, I'd like to have a chat with your "aeronautical engineer" who claims a 757 at that speed couldn't descend below 60 feet, even if flat and level. In particular, I'd like to ask him just where the hell he went to school... :D

Another lying Scholar bites the dust, and we haven't even watched Part III yet.
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You think uncle Fester claims all the video of the airport landings at St. Maarten were faked?

 
Lyte Trip needs to talk to Uncle Fetzer; he's got witnesses who saw the plane fly over the building.
 
~enigma~ said:
You think uncle Fester claims all the video of the airport landings at St. Maarten were faked?
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Was that girl on the beach, in the checkerboard bikini, flashing the plane as it passed?

But he did say "at that speed," and 500 mph is way faster than the approach speed (less than 200 mph). Not that it makes a difference, a 757 could skim the ground just fine at 500 mph. It would get a little more lift from the ground effect than it normally would at the same speed and angle of attack, but that's automatically compensated for by the guy with the control yoke.
 
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Notice Fetzer's handling of the Osama Conundrum. Smooth, huh?
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My favorite part is when he starts rocking back and forth as Mark lists off the number of witnesses that directly contradict his claims...

Fetzer just plain lost it- he went on long rants and tried to over-talk everyone and spent a terrible amount of energy dodging the questions. I think we all got a sneak peek into the mind of Fetzer, here- I honestly think that he grinds his way out in his head. Sometimes I don't know if the conspiracists actually believe this stuff or not- Fetzer, I think, believes it.
 
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