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The Real Story about Pat Tillman's death

shecky

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37679-2004Dec5.html

"He ordered his team to dismount and then maneuvered the Rangers up a hill near the enemy's location," the release said. "As they crested the hill, Tillman directed his team into firing positions and personally provided suppressive fire. . . . Tillman's voice was heard issuing commands to take the fight to the enemy forces."

It was a stirring tale and fitting eulogy for the Army's most famous volunteer in the war on terrorism, a charismatic former pro football star whose reticence, courage and handsome beret-draped face captured for many Americans the best aspects of the country's post-Sept. 11 character.

It was also a distorted and incomplete narrative, according to dozens of internal Army documents obtained by The Washington Post that describe Tillman's death by fratricide after a chain of botched communications, a misguided order to divide his platoon over the objection of its leader and undisciplined firing by fellow Rangers.

During several weeks of memorials and commemorations that followed Tillman's death, commanders at his 75th Ranger Regiment and their superiors hid the truth about friendly fire from Tillman's brother Kevin, who had fought with Pat in the same platoon, but was not involved in the firing incident and did not know the cause of his brother's death. Commanders also withheld the facts from Tillman's widow, his parents, national politicians and the public, according to records and interviews with sources involved in the case.

So the real story is catching up with the spin. It's a shame that Tillman's family has to put up with this now.
 
...Commanders also withheld the facts from Tillman's widow, his parents, national politicians and the public, according to records and interviews with sources involved in the case.
While I don't condone cover-ups, I'm not certain that anything is to be gained by these revelations now.

It's all very sad.
 
shecky said:
So the real story is catching up with the spin. It's a shame that Tillman's family has to put up with this now.

I thought that he was killed by friendly fire was common knowlege. Didn't this come out soon after his death?

I don't see that it makes a huge difference. The action that made him a hero was his decision to enlist, not how he died.
 
shecky said:
.......So the real story is catching up with the spin. It's a shame that Tillman's family has to put up with this now.

Spin? Everyone knew soon after he died that it was friendly fire. Most friendly fire incedents are the results of various foul-ups.

I watched a video of a helicopter cockpit camera a few years ago. The pilot had just hit a presumed Iraqi (Desert Storm) vehicle after being told it was the enemy. He was getting ready to hose the survivors with his machine gun when the call went out that he had destroyed a friendly. The helicopter was in the wrong place at the time. The video was very creepy considering he had just killed some friendly soldiers and was about to pull the trigger and wipe about the rest.

Tillmans' comrades made mistakes, but they did not murder him. But I have to agree that it is a shame his family was not told more details about his death.

Ranb
 
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Mycroft said:
I thought that he was killed by friendly fire was common knowlege. Didn't this come out soon after his death?

I don't see that it makes a huge difference. The action that made him a hero was his decision to enlist, not how he died.

I hadn't heard it was friendly fire, although I don't follow celebrities and only heard about the original story soon after his death.The way he died does make a difference on how his life will be remembered, especially to young kids who look up to his example and see the sacrifice he made only to lose his life in an "accident."
 
Given that they were making every effort to let the others know they weren't fighting etc, and that all the ammo the others had for their .50 cal was used, you have to wonder at the apparent policy of just blasting away till everything is dead.
 
a_unique_person said:
.........you have to wonder at the apparent policy of just blasting away till everything is dead.

What makes you think it was policy, rather than a breakdown in discipline that resulted in excessive ammunition use?

Ranb
 
I think the freindly fire revelation came out a few weeks after his death. Once everyone was finished exploiting him.
 
What makes you think it was policy, rather than a breakdown in discipline that resulted in excessive ammunition use?

- I've known too many Rangers. Not only is the former a constant issue, but so is the latter, and in nearly any enemy encounter. It's not just the Rangers either, it's the 'Merkan way of fighting.

- Tillman's story was a pretty hot item up until his funeral where it was revealed he was an atheist... then the networks kinda lost interest.
 
I remeber there was talk about a Tillman made for TV movie. Do you tink theyd still make it with this ending?
 
Pat's younger brother reportedly said the following at the funeral in response to people who kept offering the usual trite religious-things-to-say-at-a-funeral shtuff.

Pat isn’t with God. He’s f—ing dead. He wasn’t religious. So thank you for your thoughts, but he’s f—ing dead.’
 
Marquis de Carabas said:
Pat's younger brother reportedly said the following at the funeral in response to people who kept offering the usual trite religious-things-to-say-at-a-funeral shtuff.

Do you have a link?
 
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Mycroft said:
I thought that he was killed by friendly fire was common knowlege. Didn't this come out soon after his death?

I don't see that it makes a huge difference. The action that made him a hero was his decision to enlist, not how he died.

I agree.
It's a shame that these jingoistic versions of stories like this and the Jessica Lynch incident have to come out.
The guy had balls to enlist and he should be remembered for that. I'm not a big fan of the war in Iraq, but I'm not going to be so arrogant as to mock someone like Tillman.
 
Questioninggeller said:
Do you have a link?
Here's a column by Gwen Knapp which contains the quote. Also well worth the read to get an idea of who Pat Tillman was. Not your stereotypical jock, really.

Also, back to the thread topic, an article from CNN.com from May about an Army report listing Tillman's death as "probably" from friendly fire.
 
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KelvinG said:
I'm not a big fan of the war in Iraq, but I'm not going to be so arrogant as to mock someone like Tillman.

You're perfectly safe reconciling the two: Tillman was killed in Afghanistan.
 
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TragicMonkey said:
You're perfectly safe reconciling the two: Tillman was killed in Afghanistan.

Oops.
 
It's a shame that these jingoistic versions of stories like this and the Jessica Lynch incident have to come out. The guy had balls to enlist and he should be remembered for that. I'm not a big fan of the war in Iraq, but I'm not going to be so arrogant as to mock someone like Tillman.



Nobody's actually mocking him. What I found peculiar is that the story was less about Tillman and more about his family and the likes of Sen. McCain.
 
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I agreed with Mycroft's view quoted above also.

But still, I'm getting tired of the incompetent liars the army seems to have hired to do spin on this kind of thing.

The Jessica Lynch story was a national embarassment and now this. If the army has a policy of lying to promote morale and public support for the war at least the could hire some better liars.
 

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