The Real Reason for Arab Hate of Israel...

[Skeptic]

...is that a). it exists, and b). is not Arab.

Proof? Consider the Berbers in Algeria, the black Sudanese in Sudan, the Kurds in Iraq, Iran, and Turkey, the Christian and Druze in Lebanon, the Copts in Egypt, etc., etc., etc.

In all these cases--in fact, in the case of *every* *single* non-Arab/Muslim minority in the Arab world--the Arab response to the intolerable existence of non-Arabs in their mist was the same: attempted, and sometimes succesful, ethnic cleansing and genocide, opression, and violence.

You see, the Muslim Arab world sees ONLY Arab Muslims--and nobody else--as having any rights in the area. That, and not the "evils of zionism", is the real cause of the war.

There is, by the way, a precedent to this idea that only certain nations in a geographical area are "really" authentic and "really" deserve rights. It is the nazi idea of "Lebensraum" and the fascist idea of the middeteranian as "mare nostrum".

 

[DanishDynamite]

Assuming for the sake of argument that you are right, how would you solve this problem?

 

[TAILGUNNER]

is this not the case of every culture religion etc in this world at some point

a need to destroy whats not like us and a focus for the aggression to unite all the similar people

 

[a_unique_person]

I have to agree. Ethnic and religious warfare nearly sums up the history of the human race.

Hopefully, we are leaving those days behind us, despite the efforts of some.

 

[demon]

Skeptic:
"There is, by the way, a precedent to this idea that only certain nations in a geographical area are "really" authentic and "really" deserve rights. It is nazi idea of "Lebensraum"..."

You're talking about Israel right? The Palestinians have no real ties to the places in which they've lived for the last 2,000 years - certainly nothing compared with those felt by someone who's emigrated to Israel after spending all their life in Manhattan. After all, these lands belong to the Jews. They're the only authentic people in Palestine - yes?

 

[Bjorn]

In Northern Ireland, which Christians (the catholics or the protestants) are the Nazis?

Don't you remember that the first one comparing something/someone to the Nazis in a thread lost already?

 

[Skeptic]

In Northern Ireland, which Christians (the catholics or the protestants) are the Nazis?

Whichever side rules over an eight of the world's land mass and makes sure all of it is purely of his religion by genocide.

Don't you remember that the first one comparing something/someone to the Nazis in a thread lost already?

Not when the comparison is apt, as it is in this case.

 

[TAILGUNNER]

"Lebensraum" was easily solved

build upwards not outwards

 

[Bjorn]

In Northern Ireland, which Christians (the catholics or the protestants) are the Nazis?

Whichever side rules over an eight of the world's land mass and makes sure all of it is purely of his religion by genocide.

I didn't know Germany was that big?

Don't you remember that the first one comparing something/someone to the Nazis in a thread lost already?

Not when the comparison is apt, as it is in this case.

No true Scotsman ...

 

[zenith-nadir]

You're talking about Israel right? The Palestinians have no real ties to the places in which they've lived for the last 2,000 years -

You obviously know palestine is named after the Philistines who came from Crete right? Before the Arab invasion in 638 AD Israelites, Canaanites, Amorites, Hittites, Hurrians, Romans and even Persians all lived in palestine long before the Arabs. Funny enough demon, the arabs didn't come as migrants or bearing candy in 638 A.D., they invaded palestine, killed thousands and took their land. You above all should be able to relate to that "injustice"....

 

[BillyTK]

...is that a). it exists, and b). is not Arab.

Proof? Consider the Berbers in Algeria, the black Sudanese in Sudan, the Kurds in Iraq, Iran, and Turkey, the Christian and Druze in Lebanon, the Copts in Egypt, etc., etc., etc.

In all these cases--in fact, in the case of *every* *single* non-Arab/Muslim minority in the Arab world--the Arab response to the intolerable existence of non-Arabs in their mist was the same: attempted, and sometimes succesful, ethnic cleansing and genocide, opression, and violence.

You see, the Muslim Arab world sees ONLY Arab Muslims--and nobody else--as having any rights in the area. That, and not the "evils of zionism", is the real cause of the war.

There is, by the way, a precedent to this idea that only certain nations in a geographical area are "really" authentic and "really" deserve rights. It is the nazi idea of "Lebensraum" and the fascist idea of the middeteranian as "mare nostrum".

Another little known fact about Muslim Arabs is that they can disguise themselves as cicadas and hide underground for up to 17 years at a time! You have been warned...

 

[Skeptic]

I have to agree. Ethnic and religious warfare nearly sums up the history of the human race.

Like, for instance, the Australian ethnic cleansing of the aboriginies.

Hopefully, we are leaving those days behind us, despite the efforts of some.

Then why do you support the Palestinians, whose official--and practical--goal is the ethnic cleansing of all jews from the "holy Arab land of Palestine"?

Oh wait, I keep forgetting, ethnic cleansing and genocide of jews (or those Aboriginies whose land you stole) doesn't count.

 

[BillyTK]

Then why do you support the Palestinians, whose official--and practical--goal is the ethnic cleansing of all jews from the "holy Arab land of Palestine"?

"an independent and viable Palestinian state on the territories occupied by Israel in 1967, living as an equal neighbor alongside Israel with peace and security for both the Israeli and Palestinian peoples" [source] = ethnic cleansing of all jews from the "holy Arab land of Palestine"? Perhaps I'm quoting the wrong Palestinian here?

Edited to insert missing bracket

 

[a_unique_person]

I have to agree. Ethnic and religious warfare nearly sums up the history of the human race.

Like, for instance, the Australian ethnic cleansing of the aboriginies.

Like all colonial acts, it was a disgrace. We are now living with the 'facts on the ground' stage. You don't mention that the current treatment of aboriginals is disgraceful.

Hopefully, we are leaving those days behind us, despite the efforts of some.

Then why do you support the Palestinians, whose official--and practical--goal is the ethnic cleansing of all jews from the "holy Arab land of Palestine"?

Oh wait, I keep forgetting, ethnic cleansing and genocide of jews (or those Aboriginies whose land you stole) doesn't count.

You must be ignoring me on purpose. The natural reaction of the arabs was to fight the invasion. Prior to that, Arabs were no more anti-semitic than any other group on earth, and less anti-semitic than many. You know, reap what you sow, that kind of thing.

The extremist Zionists are in the process of creating a 'facts on the ground' process for Palestine. They seem to forget, however, that this is a bloody and ruthless process. Already, revisionist historians in Australia are trying to tell us that the process of creating white Australia was not at all involved in killing and violence. I don't believe them.

 

[Kerberos]

...is that a). it exists, and b). is not Arab.

Proof? Consider the Berbers in Algeria, the black Sudanese in Sudan, the Kurds in Iraq, Iran, and Turkey.

SInce when is Turkey an Arab country?

 

[a_unique_person]

Actually, if you want to make more of an issue of the Australian Aboriginies, feel free. Australian politicians are very sensitive to this issue, and hate anyone criticising us about it. If it was more of an issue internationally, I think you would find a lot more would be done about it.

 

[Tmy]

Whos clensing who in the Israel/Pali thing??? It seems to me that the Palis are the ones getting their buts kicked. You act like the hate is a one way street.

 

[BillyTK]

Re: Re: The Real Reason for Arab Hate of Israel...

SInce when is Turkey an Arab country?

About the same time Kurds stopped being Muslims, apparently, and when Muslim Arab antipathy towards the Kurds stopped being a result of the destruction of the Ottoman empire...

 

[Kerberos]

Re: Re: Re: The Real Reason for Arab Hate of Israel...

when Muslim Arab antipathy towards the Kurds stopped being a result of the destruction of the Ottoman empire...

You'll have to explain that one to me; were the kurds in a dominatnt posisition in the Ottoman Empire?

 

[Tony]

Whos clensing who in the Israel/Pali thing??? It seems to me that the Palis are the ones getting their buts kicked. You act like the hate is a one way street.

If it is a two way street, it's only because the palestinians, and their muslim brethren throughout the mid-east, made it that way. THEY are the one's who started the first (and second and third) war, THEY are the ones who started the chain of events that led the situation to where it is today.