The real problem with Mike Moore

[a_unique_person]

For all the debat about Mike Moore and his facts or lack thereof, the real problem for me is that this is what it takes to get people to take an interest in politics, apparently.

This is a real case of the 'medium is the message'. Old fashioned columns in newspapers and real current affairs shows (as opposed to the weight loss spruikers that pass themselves off as current affairs shows), just seem to indicate that when information and knowledge has never been easier to obtain, people have just lost interest.

I have seen a little of F9/11, and the whole style just doesn't appeal to me, and some points are not made that well. If people junked it on this basis, and the masses demanded higher standards of their documentaries, I would be fine with that. That doesn't appear to be the case, however. What I fear now are right wing versions of F9/11, with much more dollars behind them.

 

[Tmy]

What I fear now are right wing versions of F9/11, with much more dollars behind them.

Like the Oreilly Factor on Fox?? THats baiscally the same thing as Moore. Its a slanted daily show rather than a slanted documentry.

Whats funny is how Moore gets SOOO much more scrutiny than anyone else. I read this article in the paper written by a soilder whos in Iraq. He reviewed F-911 (the soilders trade downloaded DVDs with each other). He gave it an OK review but went on to make a snide comment, wondering if Moore "was going to share his millions with the families of soilders". Implying Moore is merely in it for the money. I was wonder if the soilder was going to pay Moore for illegally pirating his movie?

 

[Tony]

Re: Re: The real problem with Mike Moore

I was wonder if the soilder was going to pay Moore for illegally pirating his movie?

Why should he?

 

[Tmy]

Well he did steal the movie. There are laws against that.

I just thought the article was kinda funny cause he talks about how they rip movies all the time. Isnt that illegal??

 

[Tony]

Well he did steal the movie. There are laws against that.

So? I drank beer before I was 21.

I just thought the article was kinda funny cause he talks about how they rip movies all the time. Isnt that illegal??

Again, so what?

 

[Tmy]

So? I drank beer before I was 21.



Again, so what?

Well usually the military is pretty strict when it comes to criminal activity. So I dont think its smart to admit to commiting crimes while you are in the service.

If hes writing an article saying "me and the guys got stoned and watched 911 after bangin some whores", Im sure his superiors wouldnt like that all too much.

 

[aerocontrols]

Well he did steal the movie. There are laws against that.

I just thought the article was kinda funny cause he talks about how they rip movies all the time. Isnt that illegal??

I understand that different countries have different laws. Where did you say he is at again?

Perhaps there is something in the UCMJ about downloading movies?

 

[Tmy]

I understand that different countries have different laws. Where did you say he is at again?

Perhaps there is something in the UCMJ about downloading movies?

Thats what drives the movie/music industry nuts. Overseas pirating.

And I think US soilders have to follow US law no matter where they are at. Im sure the military has rules against pirating .

 

[c0rbin]

AUP, I agree with your assessment of M. Moore.

And, sorry to derail, but it's sour grapes to the media industries if they can't or won't invest in researching the future of the technologies they thrive on.

This is result of a free market of ideas and technology punching it's way into the stagnat media monopolies--balancing the field.

I say hoorah, download at will (especially since Moore encourages to some degree it for his own film).

 

[Frostbite]

Re: Re: The real problem with Mike Moore

Whats funny is how Moore gets SOOO much more scrutiny than anyone else.

And it's not like people are getting fired or getting bad press because they're pro-Bush right-wingers either.

 

[aerocontrols]

Thats what drives the movie/music industry nuts. Overseas pirating.

Yeah, I know.

And I think US soilders have to follow US law no matter where they are at. Im sure the military has rules against pirating .

I tried looking it up, and I can tell you for sure that filesharing (whether pirating or no) on government computers is against regulations for security reasons.

I would be very surprised if what you said about US soldiers being required to follow US laws no matter where they are is true.

MattJ

 

[Rob Lister]

Yeah, I know.

I would be very surprised if what you said about US soldiers being required to follow US laws no matter where they are is true.

MattJ

Point 1: copyright infringement is covered implicitly under UCMJ art 121. It makes no distinction as to locale and I can raise at least one military case history. I'm pretty sure it is pretty much ignored though, at least by overseas commands, unless it is done for personal profit or becomes embarassing.

Point 2: I can't think of any exceptions to U.S. law to which an overseas soldier would not be subject but I'm pretty sure exceptions exist. Drinking age used to be one such exception - it isn't anymore.

 

[aerocontrols]

Point 1: copyright infringement is covered implicitly under UCMJ art 121. It makes no distinction as to locale and I can raise at least one military case history. I'm pretty sure it is pretty much ignored though, at least by overseas commands, unless it is done for personal profit or becomes embarassing.

Thanks

Point 2: I can't think of any exceptions to U.S. law to which an overseas soldier would not be subject but I'm pretty sure exceptions exist. Drinking age used to be one such exception - it isn't anymore.

I'm having trouble parsing that first sentence. Are you saying that you believe that there are some acts that would be illegal for a US soldier in the States that are not illegal overseas?

How about eating whale meat in Norway?

 

[Rob Lister]

Thanks



I'm having trouble parsing that first sentence.

**** sorry, my bad. I think it is grammatically correct but that's only half the task.

Are you saying that you believe that there are some acts that would be illegal for a US soldier in the States that are not illegal overseas?

***** yes, but I can't think of any.

How about eating whale meat in Norway?

I didn't know eating whale meat was contrary to U.S. (federal) law but if it is then that would probably be an exception. However, the UCMJ catch-all (art 134) might cover it if necessary.

 

[Skeptic]

What I fear now are right wing versions of F9/11, with much more dollars behind them.

Of course, I'm sure that all the "progressives" who were hailing Moore and saying that it doesn't matter if he is lying or not, all that matters is that the movie helps elect a democrat, will suddenly moan and cry about "distortions".

The enthusiastic reception of Moore, mostly by people who knew very well he is distorting and lying but support him nonetheless as a way to "get back" at Republicans and/or Bush, shows the real reasoning behind the "progressive thought". It's not that they mind propanda and lies per se--they were just jealous that (in their view) all the best liars / propagandists were on the right. The moment a half-talented propagandist decided to do propaganda for THEIR cause, they embraced him.

Not all of them, of course. Indeed, some left-wing progressives denounced the movie and Moore, sticking to principle and saying that regardless of whether he is good or bad for the ballot box, Moore is a lying propagandist who should be shunned by honest people.

But those on the left who support "Mahatma Propagandi" had lost any right to ever complain about media distortion ever again; they've shown that their cries of "media propaganda!!!" aimed at the right-wing shows were not cries of moral outrage, but expressions of envy at not being able to do the same thing themselves.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Of course, I'm sure that all the "progressives" who were hailing Moore and saying that it doesn't matter if he is lying or not, all that matters is that the movie helps elect a democrat, will suddenly moan and cry about "distortions".

You're "sure?" Care to name a couple of "all" those people who said that "it doesn't matter if he is lying or not?"

The enthusiastic reception of Moore, mostly by people who knew very well he is distorting and lying...

"Mostly?" Most people who gave this enthusiastic reception...most of them "knew" he is distorting and lying?

I'd continue to dissect the post, but you get the idea.

 

[crimresearch]

"I would be very surprised if what you said about US soldiers being required to follow US laws no matter where they are is true."

Service members are required to comply with the UCMJ, no matter what may be legal where they are stationed.

And the UCMJ has that handy-dandy general article in it, so yeah, if it is illegal in the US but not in the host country, a GI *could* still face penalties. Drug use in countries where it is not totally criminalized comes to mind.

OTOH, a GI is not bound to never exceed 75MPH on the Autobahn, just because that would be a crime in the US.