The Question They WILL not Answer.

[The Atheist]

Look, I'm sure I'm not the first to figure this out, but in future, I have only one question for christians:

Where was Jesus buried? Which "tomb" was he resurrected from?

I state that I will publicly go down on my knees and pray to him, if I can just be shown WHERE JESUS CHRIST WAS BURIED. You know, their god-bloke.

Australian Aborigine are not alone amongst non-literate races which have racial memory of places far older than a lousy couple of millennia, yet christians, with all the access to all the scholarly papers and thinking about the bible, the life of their lamb and all the other utter BS, they cannot tell you where his cold, dead corpse was thrown, later to be resurrected from. We know precisely where an enormous number of events happened during the history of the Earth, yet the event which christians would have us believe is the most important one in all six billion years of history, nobody knows where it was.

Christians have no answer to this question and will not even try to.

I've asked this same question at christian websites and not ONE response.

Finally, victory!

 

[slingblade]

He was buried in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea. He donated his personal tomb for the purpose. He later brought the Grail to England.

The tomb is here:

http://www.christusrex.org/www1/jhs/TSspquar.html

Is it Christ's actual tomb?

Who knows? Was there actually a Christ? *shrugs*

 

[CFLarsen]

Look, I'm sure I'm not the first to figure this out, but in future, I have only one question for christians:

Where was Jesus buried? Which "tomb" was he resurrected from?

I state that I will publicly go down on my knees and pray to him, if I can just be shown WHERE JESUS CHRIST WAS BURIED. You know, their god-bloke.

Australian Aborigine are not alone amongst non-literate races which have racial memory of places far older than a lousy couple of millennia, yet christians, with all the access to all the scholarly papers and thinking about the bible, the life of their lamb and all the other utter BS, they cannot tell you where his cold, dead corpse was thrown, later to be resurrected from. We know precisely where an enormous number of events happened during the history of the Earth, yet the event which christians would have us believe is the most important one in all six billion years of history, nobody knows where it was.

Christians have no answer to this question and will not even try to.

I've asked this same question at christian websites and not ONE response.

Finally, victory!

Hmmm.....do they claim to know where it was?

 

[The Atheist]

Hmmm.....do they claim to know where it was?

As Sling has just posted, they do. But where is it?

 

[The Atheist]

He was buried in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea. He donated his personal tomb for the purpose. He later brought the Grail to England.

The tomb is here:

http://www.christusrex.org/www1/jhs/TSspquar.html

Is it Christ's actual tomb?

Who knows? Was there actually a Christ? *shrugs*

Sure, I have all that, but the point is that they have no idea where the tomb is. That site is suggesting it's at the Church of the Holy Cross, but no christian claims to have any certainty of the whereabouts.

I contend that if a bloke had been buried in it, they'd forget, but if a god was buried there, people would have worshipped the ground from day one and they clearly haven't.

Why do you think they're so frantically trying to find one which might fit the bill?

 

[CFLarsen]

Sure, I have all that, but the point is that they have no idea where the tomb is. That site is suggesting it's at the Church of the Holy Cross, but no christian claims to have any certainty of the whereabouts.

I don't get it. You just admitted that at least some Christians claim to know where it is, yet you also say that no Christian claims to have any certainty of the whereabouts.

I contend that if a bloke had been buried in it, they'd forget, but if a god was buried there, people would have worshipped the ground from day one and they clearly haven't.

Why? Christianity wasn't big at the time. It was only later that they got a big following.

How do you know that the small group of Jesus' followers didn't worship the ground from day one? Is it possible that it simply got lost over time?

Why do you think they're so frantically trying to find one which might fit the bill?

It could also be that they have looked at tombs and found a likely candidate.

It isn't something that would convince me, and probably not you either, but that doesn't mean that some don't claim to have found it.

 

[The Atheist]

I don't get it. You just admitted that at least some Christians claim to know where it is, yet you also say that no Christian claims to have any certainty of the whereabouts.

Have you looked at the claims? They don't claim any kind of certainty, they hopeful only.

Why? Christianity wasn't big at the time. It was only later that they got a big following.

How do you know that the small group of Jesus' followers didn't worship the ground from day one? Is it possible that it simply got lost over time?

They forgot where their god was buried? Aborigine can tell you where stuff went on 10,000 years ago - without having a handbook to refer to.

It could also be that they have looked at tombs and found a likely candidate.

It isn't something that would convince me, and probably not you either, but that doesn't mean that some don't claim to have found it.

It certainly wouldn't make any difference at all to what I think about christianity and I'm sure you're the same, but I like having a question they just won't debate.

 

[CFLarsen]

Have you looked at the claims? They don't claim any kind of certainty, they hopeful only.

Who claims any kind of certainty, then?

They forgot where their god was buried? Aborigine can tell you where stuff went on 10,000 years ago - without having a handbook to refer to.

Nobody can tell where the Norse gods are buried either. So?

It certainly wouldn't make any difference at all to what I think about christianity and I'm sure you're the same, but I like having a question they just won't debate.

Where do you have this from? Clearly, from slingblade's link, there are Christians who do want to debate it.

 

[meg]

Australian Aborigine are not alone amongst non-literate races which have racial memory of places far older than a lousy couple of millennia..

What does this mean? I am unfamiliar with this term. What is a racial memory? And how do we know if they are older than a couple of millennia?

 

[Dave1001]

Here's a good test. Do we have actual coordinates of where similarly prominent historical figures of that time were buried? If we do but not of Jesus, that's a good indication to me that he never existed.

 

[CFLarsen]

What does this mean? I am unfamiliar with this term. What is a racial memory? And how do we know if they are older than a couple of millennia?

Pure Lamarckism.

It is in the same vein as cell memory, utilized by woowoos like homeopaths, Deepak Chopra, Lyall Watson and the Hundredth Monkey Myth, and, of course, Sylvia Browne.

Now, also by The Atheist. Who claims to be a skeptic, but clearly is not.

 

[Dave1001]

Pure Lamarckism.

It is in the same vein as cell memory, utilized by woowoos like homeopaths, Deepak Chopra, Lyall Watson and the Hundredth Monkey Myth, and, of course, Sylvia Browne.

Now, also by The Atheist. Who claims to be a skeptic, but clearly is not.

It's not Lamarckism if it's shorthand for culturally transmitted knowledge -such that it's not the sort of racial memory someone adopted from birth by different people from a distant land wouldn't end up with.

 

[meg]

Thanks CFLarson,

That's what I was afraid of. A "cultural memory", I suppose I could believe, though I still would like to know how one might state they were over two millennia old with any degree of certainty.

 

[Moochie]

You're all wrong. There was a bloke called Jesus, but the cross stuff was allegory. Sure, he was nailed, but it wasn't on a cross -- it was when someone found out that the 40 loaves and fishes stuff came about because he (Jesus) had a deal with "Jim" the fish'n'chip shop guy.

And the guy he raised from the dead wasn't actually dead, it was Jesus' mate Bluey, who had a neat way of willing his pulse to all but disappear.

Sheesh!

M.

 

[The Atheist]

Now, also by The Atheist. Who claims to be a skeptic, but clearly is not.

No, my mistake in using that term, obviously. I am referring to a race keeping a myth alive verbally, nothing to be sceptical about. I see it has a different meaning as well, which is one I certainly don't ascribe to. I hadn't seen it used like that previously. Thanks - won't do that again!

 

[The Atheist]

Thanks CFLarson,

That's what I was afraid of. A "cultural memory", I suppose I could believe, though I still would like to know how one might state they were over two millennia old with any degree of certainty.

You're not the only one!

Now, accuracy is a case in point. A story about a snake, revered by Aborigine, can be described and assessed as describing an event 10,000 years ago, but who knows what the original myth was? There are clearly going to be huge dufferences from what it started out as to where it is now, but at least they have a specific place or places in mind which tally with the story.

Given that things Jesus did were supposedly miraculous - do you think you might take your kids and grandchildren and sit them down at the very blade of grass you sat on when you witnessed a real, live god doing a real, live miracle? Or, maybe there were lots of gods around then and one feed for 20,000, manufactured from two sandwiches and a dead fish, was no big deal.

Clearly being sealed in a tomb by an immovable stone (how the hell did they open it, then?) and being gone two and a bit days later was no big deal at the time, either.

 

[The Atheist]

You're all wrong. There was a bloke called Jesus, but the cross stuff was allegory. Sure, he was nailed, but it wasn't on a cross -- it was when someone found out that the 40 loaves and fishes stuff came about because he (Jesus) had a deal with "Jim" the fish'n'chip shop guy.

And the guy he raised from the dead wasn't actually dead, it was Jesus' mate Bluey, who had a neat way of willing his pulse to all but disappear.

Sheesh!

M.

Which is pretty much what Monty Python said.

Crucifixion's a doddle!

 

[The Atheist]

Here's a good test. Do we have actual coordinates of where similarly prominent historical figures of that time were buried? If we do but not of Jesus, that's a good indication to me that he never existed.

Jesus, Dave! You're making a very good point for a change. I can think of innumerable Egyptians who we know exactly who, whey, when, etc about their deaths. They pre-date Jesus by several millennia and nobody [now] thinks they were gods.

 

[CFLarsen]

No, my mistake in using that term, obviously. I am referring to a race keeping a myth alive verbally, nothing to be sceptical about. I see it has a different meaning as well, which is one I certainly don't ascribe to. I hadn't seen it used like that previously. Thanks - won't do that again!

That's called "oral tradition". It has nothing to do with race, but with society and culture.

As for the questions?

 

[The Atheist]

That's called "oral tradition". It has nothing to do with race, but with society and culture.

As for the questions?

I'll believe you. Down here it's very race-specific, which is where I got the term from. The cultural memory term's probably better.

You asked questions? I'll go check...