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The Missing Chapter Of General Relativity?

DeathDart

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I suggest that in pure empty space, devoid of mass or gravity, that the Flow of Time is infinite. Time stops at the speed of light, it will nearly stop for a mass traveling very close to the speed of light. When a gravitational field strength decreases, time flow increases. It has always been assumed that ONE was the limit for time flow. I believe that this assumption is wrong.

Between the No-time of light and the Infinite time of empty space, is a continuum.

By extending temporal symmetry to General Relativity, we can correct several serious contradictions between observation and theory that negatively impact modern astronomy and cosmology.

I have found two phenomena that may provide evidence for what I suggest.
Example one, is the delayed brightening of Super Nova Remnants (SNR).

The Super Nova creates, and then expels, elemental isotopes at high velocities 2000 Kms to 10,000 Kms. After traveling at these velocities, the isotopes may enter into regions where the gravitational field strength approaches a critical value. I suggest that those isotopes that enter weak regions of gravitational strength will experience a faster flow of time. Faster time will equate to a shorter half-life. A decrease in the isotope's half-life, means increased energy production from radioactive decay.

The SNR will then become brighter, as the isotopes reach gravitationally weak space. This space may also be detectable because older, slower, material from the star may become more visible, as radioactive decay increases from long half-life isotopes.

The current accepted explanation for SNR brightening, is a collision between older slower material and high velocity SNR material.

The distance that the isotopes need to travel, to experience a faster time flow, is dependent on the critical value (gT2) of gravitational strength. My best guess, at present, is equal to gT2= 6.674e-11m/s² which would equal a time flow of 2. This is only a guess.

After the isotopes move through the critical value of gravitational strength, the time flow increases with increasing distance. Their radioactive decay is more rapid, so the remnant can become brighter depending on the history of isotope decay since the Super Nova.

I also don't think that a region of fast time flow should cause a blue shift in any light passing through it. Light is on the timeless plane, (flow of time = 0), and may be unaffected by an environment that is mostly time, and NOT gravity.


This second point is speculation, since I can't set the mathematical proof.

A mass takes on temporal properties of the space in which it is embedded.

The Galactic Velocity Curve anomaly may be the result of faster time, in regions of low gravity. The square of the distance law DOES predict gravitational strength correctly! The surface integral of gravitational energy can not suddenly jump up at any particular distance without breaking conservation.

Since the predicted gravity is correct, the error could be in the assumption that the flow of time cannot be greater than ONE.

The stars traveling at these higher than predicted velocities (HVS) have spectra does not have any time distortion except for velocity dependent red or blue shift. The mass of a star orbiting at an apparently high velocity (HVS), physically exists within a normal time flow (t =<1).

I suggest that the point at which an HVS's gravitational field merges with the galactic gravitational field, determines the time flow of the gravitational interaction between them.

Sufficient mass will produce the strong gravitational field with the slow flow of time that we are used to living in. I cannot answer why a star responds gravitationally with the time flow of the space it is embedded in. Though I do suggest that it does seem to obey some obscure, (to me) logic.

Another difficulty that I have, is determining whether the onset of the speeding time flow is abrupt or gradual. I do not know if there would be any measurable effects within the near solar system.

Inflation is the NORMAL condition of the Universe. At some distance from the Primordial Mass, the gravitational field would decrease and time would speed up.


To apply an approximate time flow correction to a particular Galactic Velocity Curve, calculate the gravitational field strength for different radius from the mass profile. Calculate the velocity for that particular radius using the standard calculation for gravitational field strength and (MV^2)/R.

Multiply the velocity by the time correction for that gravitational field strength.

The time correction formula (a guess)
1+SQRT((gT2)/g) = Flow of time
gT2 = 6.674E-11 m/s
g is the calculated gravitational field strength at this distance (radius) from the center.

Compare to measured velocity results. You may have to tweak the total mass and mass distribution slightly.

I suspect that at the orbits where the flow of time exceeds one, the mass distribution will have nearly the same velocity. Velocity segregation might break down locally, possibly producing the previously suspected density waves.

There are two equations, because there are two different entities mixing. That, and I cannot reconcile the two equations due to uncertainty as to any boundaries or cutoffs.
SQRT(1- V²/C²)________________________1+SQRT(gT2/g) Calculating Time Flow

A clarification of nomenclature. The realms of Mass and Time

Space Time is in the realm of mass and gravity. The current equations and experiments of relativity are correct (when there is a lot of mass around).

Time Space is in the realm of space where there is very little mass, or gravity. This seems to be where the normal equations seem to go astray, as far as correctly predicting what is observed.
 
No, you can't. But, in case I am wrong, please show the mathmatical basis of your evidence.
 
No, you can't. But, in case I am wrong, please show the mathmatical basis of your evidence.

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The time correction formula (a guess)
1+SQRT((gT2)/g) = Flow of time
gT2 = 6.674E-11 m/s
g is the calculated gravitational field strength at this distance (radius) from the center.

Sorry. "A guess" just isn't good enough - you need to have a more solid basis for your claims than that.
 
I suggest that in pure empty space, devoid of mass or gravity, that the Flow of Time is infinite. Time stops at the speed of light, it will nearly stop for a mass traveling very close to the speed of light. When a gravitational field strength decreases, time flow increases. It has always been assumed that ONE was the limit for time flow. I believe that this assumption is wrong.

Between the No-time of light and the Infinite time of empty space, is a continuum.

It sounds like you're proposing a modification of general relativity in which the time-time component of the metric is infinite in empty space. That idea is ruled out conclusively by date - it's equivalent to sending the speed of light c to infinity, and such a theory would not be Lorentz invariant (it would be Gallean invariant instead). Lorentz invariance is one of the most precisely tested aspects of nature we know of.

In general, modifications of relativity need to be checked against all the data we already have - and we have measured the gravity of the earth and solar system very, very precisely. Supernova are much less well-understood - so start at home.
 
It sounds like you're proposing a modification of general relativity in which the time-time component of the metric is infinite in empty space. That idea is ruled out conclusively by date - it's equivalent to sending the speed of light c to infinity, and such a theory would not be Lorentz invariant (it would be Gallean invariant instead). Lorentz invariance is one of the most precisely tested aspects of nature we know of.

In general, modifications of relativity need to be checked against all the data we already have - and we have measured the gravity of the earth and solar system very, very precisely. Supernova are much less well-understood - so start at home.

Can't start at home, gravity needs to be low in the range of 6.67E-11m/s^2. I don't know if anything can be observed locally

Gravity affects light, time does not.

Time exists for matter and gravity.

Light has the special quality that it is outside of time. The speed of light is the same in all frames.

Gravity slows time for matter.

This is an incomplete answer (DUh:)) since I haven't considered all the implications.
 
This is an incomplete answer (DUh:)) since I haven't considered all the implications.


Please go back to the drawingboard, finish your masterpiece, and only then bring it out so that we can all go 'Oooo!' and 'Ahhh!'.
 
Do you have a relevant argument against it?


1. It reads like gibberish.

2. It doesn't demonstrate any understanding of the basics of the field.

3. The thread title is rather presumptuous given the amount of ignorance that the OP presents.

4. It doesn't contain any formulae that are complete, mean anything useful, or capture and make precise the ideas you are talking around.

5. One of the so-called formulae that you included you simply marked as "a guess". Really.

6. It smells like another piece of wannabe nonsense based upon ignorance rather than knowledge.

7. I have too much respect for science and this field of science in particular to tolerate this garbage.

Please stop it.
 
There's no such thing as a complete vacuum, so even if your claim made sense, it still wouldn't do anything in this universe.
 
Do you have a relevant argument against it?
Yes, most of it is pure naked speculation and at least one part of it has already been shown incorrect by Sol I - who I actually trust in things like this. Your entire SPECULATIVE argument is irrelevant without evidence ( or, better, proof).
 
So if light moves the same speed, in all reference frames then...

In a reference frame where time speeds up, light must move faster to keep this true.

Therefore light can have an infinite speed?

Light has no mass but it does have momentum.

What would be the visible consequences if lights velocity were much greater than predicted?
 
Do you have a relevant argument against it?

Bzzzt, wrong. As the claimant, it is incumbent upon you to provide positive evidence to us as to why your idea has merit, not the other way around where we just assume you're correct.

So, with that, please show your math, DD.
 
So if light moves the same speed, in all reference frames then...

In a reference frame where time speeds up, light must move faster to keep this true.

Nope. You need to study up on time dilation, because you are making incorrect assumptions here about space & time. Namely, you are assuming that space is static for all reference frames.

Therefore light can have an infinite speed?

No, again. We know that light travels at a finite speed. There is a mountain of experimental evidence which confirms this fact. I even have my students confirm it in their own kitchens using a microwave oven.

Light has no mass but it does have momentum.

What would be the visible consequences if lights velocity were much greater than predicted?

Show your math, DD. And, for clarity, words aren't math.
 
Nope. You need to study up on time dilation, because you are making incorrect assumptions here about space & time. Namely, you are assuming that space is static for all reference frames.

Show your math, DD. And, for clarity, words aren't math.

You may have a point.
 

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