The left is singing the same old song.

peptoabysmal

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Let me say up front. I am a conservative and an atheist. I shouldn't have a problem with this story about Celine's banned song, right?

Ah, but I do have a problem with it. It is another example where the desire to promote acceptance of cultural diversity and positive interpersonal relations overrides common sense and stomps all over the rights of US citizens.

This song wasn't being forced on the students, two students wanted to sing it at their graduation. But the liberal school board decided that maybe there was someone of another religion or race who might be offended by a couple of references to God in the song. What's next libs, book burning?
 
peptoabysmal said:
Let me say up front. I am a conservative and an atheist. I shouldn't have a problem with this story about Celine's banned song, right?

Ah, but I do have a problem with it. It is another example where the desire to promote acceptance of cultural diversity and positive interpersonal relations overrides common sense and stomps all over the rights of US citizens.

This song wasn't being forced on the students, two students wanted to sing it at their graduation. But the liberal school board decided that maybe there was someone of another religion or race who might be offended by a couple of references to God in the song. What's next libs, book burning?
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It is yet another example of Feminazism.

JK
 
No, not Celine Dion, I believe this is the right song.

The Internationale [variant words in square brackets]

Arise ye workers from your slumbers
Arise ye prisoners of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We'll change henceforth the old tradition
And spurn the dust to win the prize.

So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.

No more deluded by reaction
On tyrants only we'll make war
The soldiers too will take strike action
They'll break ranks and fight no more
And if those cannibals keep trying
To sacrifice us to their pride
They soon shall hear the bullets flying
We'll shoot the generals on our own side.

No saviour from on high delivers
No faith have we in prince or peer
Our own right hand the chains must shiver
Chains of hatred, greed and fear
E'er the thieves will give up their booty
And give to all a happier lot.
Each at the forge must do their duty
And we'll strike while the iron is hot.
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From the article:
''This is rural America,'' Ashby told the newspaper. ''This is not metropolitan USA. Religion is a vital part of the fabric of rural culture. I'm talking about where I live.''
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I find it funny that these people are crying for their federal level rights, and yet turn around and make sectionalist statements. They can have their religion laden culture at home, I won't stop them, and of course they can insult us city slickers, I won't care. However that isn't exactly the issue.

The predicament is hard for me to draw a final opinion. At the beginning of this school year I politely protested to my student council about signs posted about school on Sept. 11th, that said "God Bless America". Evidently some students posted these. Of course I know they have the right to make such statements, but not on school property(buildings etc.). It makes it appear that the school is participating in favoritism and theocracy. I wonder if these situations are analogous. This girl could sing her mildly religious song outside of school all she likes, but should the school endorse her sentiments on its property, with its sound system?
 
This is another example of the old adage "Pick your battles carefully." Is this one really worth fighting?
I'm a strong believer in keeping religion out of schools, but there are times when you can take this to an extreme.

I hardly think that the inclusion of a Celine Dion song in a graduation ceremony is detrimental to the very reasonable policy of separating religion and education.
And it ain't gonna create a slippery slope where first it's a simple song and then a few bible passages, and then full on baptisms at the prom!

Let them have their Celine Dion.
 
I think people have their values skewed if they feel equality is achieved through removing all of society's differences.

In our school recently, we had a 'Harmony Day' (don't ask, I'm still not sure what it was) celebration. It had a local church group sing some song, and offer a prayer. While I feel this was a little biased (associating 'harmony' strictly with christianity), many students felt that while inappropriate, other religions should be celebrated likewise.

I think this was the balanced approach to take.

Athon
 
athon said:
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In our school recently, we had a 'Harmony Day' (don't ask, I'm still not sure what it was) celebration.
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Isn't that the holiday the Wookies celebrated in the Star Wars Christmas special? Or am I thinking of something else?
 
peptoabysmal said:
"This song wasn't being forced on the students, two students wanted to sing it at their graduation. But the liberal school board decided that maybe there was someone of another religion or race who might be offended by a couple of references to God in the song. What's next libs, book burning?"

Lurker responds:

Perhaps I am nitpicking but did you actually read your citation? The "liberal" school board was not involved. It was the lawyer for the school board.

Regardless, aren't school boards elected by the local citizenry? If they are liberal isn't that a reflection of the local populace?

Lurker
 
Lurker said:
peptoabysmal said:
"This song wasn't being forced on the students, two students wanted to sing it at their graduation. But the liberal school board decided that maybe there was someone of another religion or race who might be offended by a couple of references to God in the song. What's next libs, book burning?"

Lurker responds:

Perhaps I am nitpicking but did you actually read your citation? The "liberal" school board was not involved. It was the lawyer for the school board.

Regardless, aren't school boards elected by the local citizenry? If they are liberal isn't that a reflection of the local populace?

Lurker
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You make a good point Lurker.
However, as is common on this board, it's much easier to assign blame to the faceless, evil "left."

And I agree that if the school board is elected by the local populace, then it would seem odd that a bible belt community would intentionally elect a highly liberal board.
Does anybody actually know how many persons on this school board are liberal and how many are conservative?
Hmmm, maybe this is an example of the "right" going to far.

Blast those faceless, evil right wingers.
 
Lurker said:
peptoabysmal said:
"This song wasn't being forced on the students, two students wanted to sing it at their graduation. But the liberal school board decided that maybe there was someone of another religion or race who might be offended by a couple of references to God in the song. What's next libs, book burning?"

Lurker responds:

Perhaps I am nitpicking but did you actually read your citation? The "liberal" school board was not involved. It was the lawyer for the school board.

Regardless, aren't school boards elected by the local citizenry? If they are liberal isn't that a reflection of the local populace?

Lurker
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Not using the term liberal for a school board is almost an oxymoron. Liberals have lawyers, lots and lots of 'em. Lawyers say stuff like that to protect their clients.

I work in an educational institution and come from a family where three immediate family members are teachers. Believe me, there is nowhere in the world where liberalism is more dug in like a planter's wart than the US educational system.
 
peptoabysmal said:


Not using the term liberal for a school board is almost an oxymoron. Liberals have lawyers, lots and lots of 'em. Lawyers say stuff like that to protect their clients.

I work in an educational institution and come from a family where three immediate family members are teachers. Believe me, there is nowhere in the world where liberalism is more dug in like a planter's wart than the US educational system.
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My wife is a teacher, and I can assure you that this is certainly not the case in Texas. There are so many Bible thumping, homophobic people in the system that my wife doesn't dare reveal her political leanings (and to mention that she is a pagan would be suicide).

But assuming your statement is true for where you live, why aren't the conservatives there more interested in education? Is it because there aren't many?
 
Tricky said:

My wife is a teacher, and I can assure you that this is certainly not the case in Texas. There are so many Bible thumping, homophobic people in the system that my wife doesn't dare reveal her political leanings (and to mention that she is a pagan would be suicide).

But assuming your statement is true for where you live, why aren't the conservatives there more interested in education? Is it because there aren't many?
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LOL

Talk about both ends of the spectrum. I live in California, and work at a university. No, there aren't many conservatives there and the ones who are come from eastern states. To top it off ,we are required as a condition of our jobs to take several courses per year like "cultural diversity" and "religious diversity" and "diversity diversity", and let's not forget my personal favorite, "womens studies". What the hell is women's studies? I took it, and still couldn't tell you. It was like a huge, state-funded bitching session, complete with re-written history of the US. Did you know George Washington was actually a bull dyke? My exposure to these usless, "feel-good" courses has done nothing but make me lean more and more to the right. When I started work there, I was about as full-blown a liberal as there is. Between the attitudes I have encountered in this state, and our impotent governor Davis (D) driving the state straight into the toilet, I may end up as an ultra right-wing fundie yet. *insert sounds of Bibles thumping*
 
Not using the term liberal for a school board is almost an oxymoron. Liberals have lawyers, lots and lots of 'em. Lawyers say stuff like that to protect their clients.

Liberal have laywers, and lots of 'em?

Really, you got and stats on that?

Sounds kinda like George Bush, who constantly says that lawyers are a problem, yet the Bush family has some of the highest paid lawyers in the world, a large staff of them, who sue everyone who writes anything negative about them in a publication, which is why the internet is the ony place you can bash the Bushes.

Also note that George Bush "won" the presidency BECAUSE OF LAWYERS!!!

Check out the lawers of the Christian right, they have plenty. Liberals have no more lawyers then anyone else.

This case may have been overdone, but again, it was the decision of a lawyer, and not because of "equality" it was because of liability. It was to avoid the possibility of a law suit.

If people don't like the fact that there was a possibility of a law suit then they should change the laws.
 
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Look, it's a Celine Dion song. Celine Dion! Jesus Christ, it should be banned for that alone (and isn't she French-Canadian?).

Believe me, there are plenty of other stupid songs for a high-school graduation ceremony.

Perhaps the school simply wanted to avoid the controversy that a non-Christian student might bring for violation of religion and state.
 
Tricky said:

My wife is a teacher, and I can assure you that this is certainly not the case in Texas. There are so many Bible thumping, homophobic people in the system that my wife doesn't dare reveal her political leanings (and to mention that she is a pagan would be suicide).

But assuming your statement is true for where you live, why aren't the conservatives there more interested in education? Is it because there aren't many?
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What district does your wife work for?
 
I am sure that if I wanted to sing a song praising demon worship then all you conservatives would jump up and defend my right to sing it at the graduation.

You would defend my right to religous freedom wouldn't you?

Hey, where is everybody...
 
Tricky said:

Spring Branch. I've been to the Christmas parties, and heard a lot of people complaining openly about "liberals".
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I believe you, I was just curious. Although, I don’t know exactly where Spring Branch is.
 
I can't stand Celine Dion, and I'm no fan of religion, but I'm sure that song is better than the abysmal Metallica song that my senior class voted for as our class song.

If I'd known then what I know now, I'd have demanded a recount.
 
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