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is there any reason why science believes the invisible world is impossible?:)
 
There is plenty of science dealing with things which we cannot see-
So science does not say that the “invisible world” is impossible.
However just because we cannot see something, it does not mean that it exists.
 
Farts are invisible. Can you imagine what it would be like if farts were florescent orange? You would never get away with letting one go. You could be walking down the street and see a cloud come out of someone half a mile away. You could be dancing in a club with black lights on and accidently light up your part of the room. This year at Thanksgiving, when someone asks me what I am thankful for I'm going to say, "I'm thankful that farts are invisible."
 
(I assume by common reference that you take "the invisible" to mean the realm of spirits, ghosts, god, etc.)

There are several things that are invisible that science can measure. Consider gravity and electromagnetism. You can't see the sun pulling on the earth with a gigantic rope, nevertheless we continue to orbit it. Using observation and experiment, we've established mathematical models that explain how gravity effects the universe, and our predictions based on those models are now so accurate that hyperbole fails to describe it.

Things like spirits, ghosts, god, etc. are purported to be invisible, but if they indeed exist then there should be some way that we could measure their effects upon our universe. Granted, science cannot responsibly state that these things do not exist because it's impossible to prove a negative.

However (Carl Sagan mode - engage)...If I say there's a dragon in my garage, but it's invisible, incorporeal, and has no measurable effect at all, what's the effective difference between an undetectable dragon and no dragon at all? All you have then at that point is a belief that the dragon exists, and beliefs are unreliable.

If you could find a way to show a measurable effect that would support the theory of ghosts or life after death, then you will have accomplished what no human being in history has done before.
 
RenaissanceBiker said:
Farts are invisible. Can you imagine what it would be like if farts were florescent orange? You would never get away with letting one go. You could be walking down the street and see a cloud come out of someone half a mile away. You could be dancing in a club with black lights on and accidently light up your part of the room. This year at Thanksgiving, when someone asks me what I am thankful for I'm going to say, "I'm thankful that farts are invisible."
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Your ideas intrigue me, sir, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
idunno said:
is there any reason why science believes the invisible world is impossible?:)
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Please define your term "The Invisible World." Is it one of the following?

1) All energy forms and physical objects that can not be detected within the visible portion of the electromagnetic spectrum or at extreme magnification.

2) Anything that can not be proven to exist without going through mathematical gymnastics.

3) A universe that is separate from, yet co-exists with and is therefore as real to its inhabitants as, our own universe.

4) Beings, sentient or not, that exist within our own universe, but that can not be detected or quantified, and can only be experienced by people whose senses are attuned to those beings.

Once you have defined your "Invisible World," we will be enabled to answer your question more accurately.

Unless an accurate answer is not what you seek...
 
tsg said:
Have you stopped beating your wife?
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Forgive my ignorance, but I've noticed this a few times in threads.

Why do people ask this question all the time.

If it's some sort of forum joke, it aint that funny.
 
The question assumes that you have beaten your wife. If you answer "yes," you admit that you used to beat her. If you answer "no," you admit that you still beat her. People ask this question to point out when someone else has asked a question that makes a possibly false assumption.
 
Yes, it's the classic loaded question. You can't answer yes or no without admitting to beating your wife-- an allegation the questioner provides no evidence for.

In the OP, "science believes the invisible world is impossible" is the equivalent of "you beat your wife". It makes suppositions about how science operates (it "believes" things), uses an undefined concept ("invisible world") and asserts a black and white conclusion ("impossible").
 
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RenaissanceBiker said:
The question assumes that you have beaten your wife. If you answer "yes," you admit that you used to beat her. If you answer "no," you admit that you still beat her. People ask this question to point out when someone else has asked a question that makes a possibly false assumption.
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Ahh.

Cullennz yet again shows his mastery of missing the obvious. :blush:

I'll get my coat ..................
 
cullennz said:
Forgive my ignorance, but I've noticed this a few times in threads.

Why do people ask this question all the time.

If it's some sort of forum joke, it aint that funny.
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It is pointing out that the question makes an assumption that has not yet been supported, also known as a Loaded Question. "Have you stopped beating your wife" implies that you do, in fact, have a wife that you have beaten in the past regardless of whether you answer "yes" or "no" and is the classic example of a loaded question.

"Is there any reason that science believes the invisible world to be impossible" assumes that science does believe it to be impossible when, as others have pointed out, it doesn't.

You might also see people reply Mu, meaning, roughly, the question is wrong.

Another example would be asking someone who criticizes the government "why do you hate America?".

Or, as my wife is fond of doing, asking "do you want Italian or Chinese" when I haven't yet agreed to take-out at all.

ETA: beaten to it.
 
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idunno said:
is there any reason why science believes the invisible world is impossible?:)
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Obviously, there are things which are invisible to humans (we'll call these things the "invisible world") but are still detectable via non-visible means (e.g. radar, sonar). There may even be things which are invisible and not (yet) detectable by humans. Does that make them impossible? Science is always finding new things, so I'm betting not.

Maybe idunno, after looking up a definition of "science," was extrapolating that, if something cannot be observed, it must be impossible.
 
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