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The Deluge

David Henson

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I'm going to try a different method than I have ever tried. I'm going to open a thread on the flood by simply asking anyone who cares to to ask me whatever they want to ask me about the flood. This could potentially save a great deal of time.
 
How much water was involved in this flood?
How much area did it supposedly involve?
 
David Henson said:
I'm going to try a different method than I have ever tried. I'm going to open a thread on the flood by simply asking anyone who cares to to ask me whatever they want to ask me about the flood. This could potentially save a great deal of time.
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David, you'll find that most skeptics here have read the Bible and have already arrived at conclusions about it. We're mostly not interested in broad discussions about fictional event, entities and objects.

Look around the forum a bit, "Ask me questions about God/Aliens/Bigfoot/Psychics" threads don't generate the kind of discussion you're looking for.

The format that generates the most thoughtful, robust response is as follows:

I believe X to be true, here is my evidence from multiple credible sources.

Then, respond to criticism with more appropriate evidence from credible sources.

That's the only way that most of this forum, myself included, will take a discussion of THE FLOOD seriously.
 
If we accept that god is infinite, and that he created sufficient water to cover the surface of the Earth even to the tops of mountains...

... would you like some toast?
 
How did the animals on the ark survive? What did the predators eat during their time on the boat and during their travel afterward? How did they all land at the top of a mountain in Armenia/Turkey and all manage to travel to places where they're more suited? (e.g. penguins to the Antarctic, polar bears to the arctic, different snakes to different deserts on vastly different continents, alligators to the Florida everglades, bison to North America, pandas to China, koalas and kangaroos to Australia...etc.etc.)

I just think it's weird that every species of penguin managed to get to Antarctica, yet not one polar bear followed them down there.
 
David Henson said:
I'm going to try a different method than I have ever tried. I'm going to open a thread on the flood by simply asking anyone who cares to to ask me whatever they want to ask me about the flood. This could potentially save a great deal of time.
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Where did all the water come from? Where did it go?
Why did all the fish not die from the mixture of rainwater and saltwater?
Why are there geographical layers with definite separations of time periods, species, et cetera?
I assume that you believe the story about the Ark as well. Where was all the food stored?
How could every animal fit on it?
How did eight people clean up all the waste from the animals?
How were the animals gathered in the first place?

Of course, I expect you to back up your answers with solid evidence.
 
Oh, are we doing this seriously? Ok: why should anyone care what you think about the (I presume) Biblical flood?
 
As Sledge says. An event obviously borrowed from the Babylonian flood story which likely had actual antecedents in some localized flood in the area in pre-history.
 
Pure_Argent said:
Where did all the water come from? Where did it go?
Why did all the fish not die from the mixture of rainwater and saltwater?
Why are there geographical layers with definite separations of time periods, species, et cetera?
I assume that you believe the story about the Ark as well. Where was all the food stored?
How could every animal fit on it?
How did eight people clean up all the waste from the animals?
How were the animals gathered in the first place?

Of course, I expect you to back up your answers with solid evidence.
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As I said in the other thread, a God that create the cosmos can surely make water appear from nowhere and send it back to nothingness when He was done. All of your questions can be answered with "it was a miracle." The question that I think is much more important are why is there no evidence of a global flood. Fields as diverse as geology and biology show absolutely no evidence of a global flood within the last 100,000 years.
 
David Henson said:
Good questions.

Up to 15 cubits (22 ft / 6.5 m) of water overwhelmed them. (Genesis 7:20)

It was a global deluge.
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Please tell us how much atmospheric pressure was Noah and his ark was placed under and how did he, the animals and his family survive the toxic atmosphere and brain gelatinizing atmospheric pressure for 40days and nights?
 
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Après moi le déluge.
(I always wanted to say that...)


Sun Countess said:
I just think it's weird that every species of penguin managed to get to Antarctica, yet not one polar bear followed them down there.
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Except for Magellanic Penguins and Blue Fairy Penguins (sorry, I just found out about the blue penguins not long ago and I am fascinated by them.) :p

You're right about the polar bears. How did that happen?
 
If all species on earth experienced a bottleneck of population to just a few individuals, why is there no evidence of a genetic bottleneck in every extant species at the same time in the past?
 
Hokulele said:
Ah, I had always read that as Noah's Ark, now I see it really should have been Noah's Auk.

That makes so much more sense. :D
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Happy I could clear that up for you - any other of lifes little mysteries do you want a leg up on :p
 
Sun Countess said:
How did the animals on the ark survive? What did the predators eat during their time on the boat and during their travel afterward? How did they all land at the top of a mountain in Armenia/Turkey and all manage to travel to places where they're more suited? (e.g. penguins to the Antarctic, polar bears to the arctic, different snakes to different deserts on vastly different continents, alligators to the Florida everglades, bison to North America, pandas to China, koalas and kangaroos to Australia...etc.etc.)

I just think it's weird that every species of penguin managed to get to Antarctica, yet not one polar bear followed them down there.
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Excellent point.

The Bible uses the term "kinds" of animals, which differs from the biological term "species." The biological "kind" or "species" consists of any group of interfertile animals or plansts mutually possessing one or more distinctive characteristics. So there can be many such species of varieties within a single division of the Biblical "kinds."

The Biblical "kinds" are divisions of life forms in which each division allows for cross fertility within its limits. The boundry being, then, is the point where fertilization can no longer occur. In other words the Ark didn't need to have every species of dog or cat.

In other words there only needed to be 43 kinds of mammals, 74 kinds of birds, and 10 kinds of reptiles.

Of the species of animals over 60 percent are insects - of 24,000 amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals 10,000 are birds, 9,000 are reptiles and amphibians, many of which could have survived outside the ark. Only 5,000 are mammals, which would include whales and porpoises which could also live outside the ark. There would only need be 290 species of land mammals larger than a sheep and 1,360 smaller than a rat.

The ark was 437 ft 6 in. x 72 ft 11 in x 43 ft 9 in. (135.5 m x 22.3 m x 13.4 m) which is about the size of the Titanic. It had about 1,400,000 cu ft (40,000 cu m) in gross volume. More than enough room for the people, animals and food for the journey. Keep in mind that the animals may have been in hibernation for at least a portion of the time as well.
 
David Henson said:
I'm going to try a different method than I have ever tried. I'm going to open a thread on the flood by simply asking anyone who cares to to ask me whatever they want to ask me about the flood. This could potentially save a great deal of time.
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Is there any evidence you would accept to convince you that the biblical flood didn't occur?
 
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