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The Cognitive Mechanisms of 9/11 Conspiracy Beliefs

Scott Sommers

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In the past few years, there's been a growing interest in the cognitive mechanisms behind the 9/11 conspiracy beliefs we see both here on JREF and elsewhere.

There has been much speculation that conspiracy beliefs, like 9/11 Truth, have their origins in systematic cognitive mechanisms, such as cognitive dissonance and a thing that gets called the Kruger & Dunning Effect. I don't believe this. Conspiracy beliefs are pathological. They are the result of cognition gone wrong. At least the kind of beliefs you see associated with 9/11 Truth have their origins in disordered thinking that for lack of a better word, I will call confusion.

Cognitive Bias

Cognitive dissonance is a form of mental behavior described by a number of different terms. These include cognitive bias, cognitive heuristics and even social cognition. I'm going use the term cognitive bias in this post, just because it's handy. By cognitive bias, I mean it is an explanation for why information processing in people does not follow a strictly logical fashion. Results are reached that are derived strictly from the facts of the situation alone. Humans make decisions and reach conclusions using short cuts and even make errors in processing. When this happens in a systematic fashion, it can be thought of as a cognitive bias.

Why would there be an evolutionary need for a bias in cognition? Why would humans evolve patterns of thought that are strictly speaking not logical and result in conclusions that are not based in the facts of the matter? The social world is extremely complex and there’s just too much information to process at the speed needed for social life. If people need to be able to respond at the pace that’s required, some sort of shortcut is required to sort through all the information, identify key aspects and prepare a response. As a result of such pressures, people sometimes act outside of logic.

Still the result of these actions seems to achieve an almost unbelievable social order. It is as if they were following another type of logic not based in mathematics and predicate logic, or at least not based in these alone. It’s as if there is something going on that’s trying to infer meaning from the limited information available at the time and leap ahead to an understanding that’s just probably true.

So while on the level of an individual social act, you can point out what’s illogical about someone’s behavior, these cognitive biases are the foundation of our social lives. They occur all the time, and work most of the time to bring about socially positive results.

One of the beefs I have with social psychology as an academic discipline is the emphasis it places on cognitive bias as error. Almost all the experimental results that you’ll read about in textbooks come from designs that detect bias through error. By this I mean that the experimental effect of the bias is detected through deviation from a decision making process where the a logical decision would have resulted in a correct or polite or appropriate result. Think of all those experiments you read about in social psych. Milgram and obedience lead to ordinary people being violent. The By-stander Effect is measured through people’s indifference to the suffering of others. The Zimbardo's Stanford Prison Experiment led to obsessive control. Asch Conformity was observed through ridiculously incorrect conclusions. But these are in fact typical of how post-WWII social psychology evolved – highly controlled, ecologically questionable laboratory experiments that result in people doing stupid or even bad things.

But the reality of the matter is that cognitive bias exist largely because they have been selected by the forces of natural selection. They create the enormous order that we see around us. They are generally successful in leading to the correct and safest way to interact with others. The mistakes observed in the social psychology lab are the result of contrived situations designed by specialists to trick these mechanisms into leading us into the kind of bad situation which we would normally want to avoid making.

Cognitive Dissonance

So let’s move on to the particular issue that has drawn me to think about this – cognitive dissonance. The term was first used by Leon Festinger in his famous piece of research When Prophecy Fails. It’s important to point out that this was a field study quite different from the kind of experimental social psychology that almost everyone does today. Festinger joined a Christ-based doomsday cult to observe their reaction to the failure of an end-of-the-world prediction. But the point of this study had little to do with irrational beliefs.

The idea of a cognitive dissonance was originally a response to Behaviorism. A key aspect of Behaviorism is that only observable behaviors can be studied and not the actions of the mind. This led to the well-known principals of reward and punishment where animals will repeat behaviors that are rewarded and avoid behaviors that are punished. Festinger and his colleagues were trying demonstrate that this could not account for some of the complex social behaviors we all know about and that cognition – thinking, learning, remembering, etc. – must be taken into account to understand the results. In the romantic language of a slightly later period, you would hear about the idea of getting inside the black box, meaning the idea that psychologists would be investigating the hidden processes of the mind.

So what is cognitive dissonance? Well, one thing about it is that it happens all the time as a way of reconciling behavior and attitudes. From Social Psychology 8th Edition by Taylor, Peplau, and Sears (p. 173)
Dissonance is defined as an aversive motivational state that results when some behavior we engage in is inconsistent with our attitudes.” Their discussion continues, “One situation that almost always arouses dissonance is making a decision…After we make the decision, all the good aspects of the unchosen alternative and all the bad aspects of the chosen alternative are inconsistent with the decision. Dissonance can be reduced by improving our evaluation of the chosen alternative or by lowering our evaluation of the unchosen alternative. After making decisions, there is a tendency for us to increase our liking for what we chose and to decrease our liking for what we did not choose.

Another key aspect of cognitive dissonance is that it is a positive force in the shaping of knowledgeable beliefs about the world. From Group Process in the Classroom 7th Edition by Schmuck & Schmuck (p.182)
New information is brought out – and the student is pushed to self-analysis and to a consideration of alternative conceptualizations. Some of the students’ previously held conclusions do not hold up. Personal ideas of the conflict or disequilibrium arises. Some psychologists call this a state of cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance arises an active inner search for new understanding and new conclusions. The student learns to consider very different conceptual schemes simultaneously and is energized to develop his or her own unique version of the issue.

So let’s talk about what cognitive dissonance is not.
It is not unusual.
It’s not a bad thing.
It is not a pathology.
It is not disordered thought.
It is not a response to something you disagree with.
It does not happen from being exposed to counterfactual information.

Once again, from Social Psychology 8th Edition by Taylor, Peplau, and Sears (p. 173)
Dissonance is defined as an aversive motivational state that results when some behavior we engage in is inconsistent with our attitudes.
Cognitive dissonance occurs when you come to an understanding that your behaviors and attitudes are not consistent. The result is a reevaluation of your attitude.

Cognitive Dissonance and the 9/11 Truth

I don’t see much of what I described above happening among 9/11 Truthers. I have never seen a Truther reevaluate their opinion. Truthers frequently tell one of two stories about their attitudes toward 9/11. One is that they always knew what was going on. The second is that they used to believe this thing they call ‘the official story’ but then after reevaluation of the evidence, they realized it couldn’t be true, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Neither of these seems to be what Festinger or more contemporary colleagues are talking about when they discuss cognitive dissonance.

But in fact, I doubt cognitive bias has much to do with the opinions of Truthers or almost any conspiracy theorists. For one thing, cognitive bias is generally an adaptive process in the minds of people. It evolved to construct a social world in which people could expect things to happen in a way that makes sense. Truthers and other conspiracy theorists are wildly confused people. These are people for whom obvious facts are not having the influence that nature expects them to have. I don’t see how this could generally be the result of natural and adaptive psychological mechanisms. I don’t see much of anything among Truthers and their conspiracy friends that resembles the cognitive dissonance I described above.

Rather, I see conspiracy beliefs as pathologies. They are the result of cognitive mechanisms that have broken down. Conspiracy theorists are not thinking properly. There are reasons for this, but they do not lie in the cognitive mechanisms that nature has provided us with to handle social life. And this is why conspiracy beliefs are not widely held, are transitory, and are immediately identifiable as the messed up thinking that they are.

Why do people believe in conspiracy theory?

I call conspiracy beliefs pathologies for a reason. Mental illness is clearly the reason for some this belief. I am astounded at the number of Truthers on the JREF and elsewhere who talk about their drinking and drug problems, having been involuntarily committed, or about hallucinations treated by physicians with powerful drugs. I don’t know if this is a higher rate than you’d find in the general population, but my sense is that it is much higher. Certainly it is the only place where I encounter such people.

My point is not that Truthers are crazy, but rather that mental illness is not cognitive bias. It is mental illness.

Another likely source of conspiracy beliefs is in deception. There are situations we have all seen on the JREF where Truthers just lie about things. In fact, this is so common, it is the norm here. A Truther says something, someone shows this is not the case, the Truther disappears only to come back a few months later to make the same claim, perhaps even changing their username.

But lying isn’t a cognitive bias. People who lie don’t even believe what they’re saying. That’s why it’s a lie. People have reasons for this deception, but it is clearly not that they are trying to get at facts of the matter.

What I think is the most common source of conspiracy beliefs is confusion. I'm not really sure how to define this term. What I mean is something antithetical to cognition. 9/11 conspiracy beliefs are caused by a breakdown in the functioning of cognitive mechanisms. The mental illness I described above would probably be one example of this, but here I mean something more general. Something akin to a lack of the skills and abilities that make understanding possible.

Can you blame people for being confused? The claims and counterclaims being made about this 9/11 conspiracy are so complex I can hardly keep up with them. This stuff about thermite and paint is really beyond my understanding and I have 2 years of university chemistry and math. Much of these beliefs appear to be based on faith in the credentials of people like Steven Jones and Judy Wood. Regardless of what you think about them as scientists and people, they are highly credentialed. Dick Gage is an architect and, if you don’t know a lot about building construction or have experts to talk to, he could easily be convincing for that reason. Truthers are generally not very well-educated and the ones who are don’t seem to have a technical background of any sort.

But confusion is a complicated idea. I know of no comprehensive definition. You might be confused because you’re drunk. You might be confused because you’ve been spinning around and around for a long time. You might be confused because you have a low IQ or brain damage or only one eye. And none of these would be a cognitive bias.

You might also be confused because you can’t read very well. To the Truthers out there, this may seem very strange. There are Truther organizations that claim to be full of university graduates and they can’t have reading problems, right? I’m less sure of this. Marlene Scardamalia and Carl Bereiter have speculated that reading at an expert level might not be as widespread among the educated as we would all like to think. If you read their chapter in Toward a General Theory of Expertise, they produce evidence of a general lack of expert reading ability among journal editors and leading scientists.

In fact, I have often wondered about this among some of the Truthers I have witnessed. Some are literate and able to compose long, precise and complex pieces of writing, but at the same time seem to have some very subtle misunderstandings of news and technical writing. It’s as if they have missed some key aspect of meaning in writing that is just a little too hard for them. On the JREF, we make fun of this, calling such people stupid or reminding them that we have already answered this or that point. We make the more polite assumption that our Truther friends are fully capable of comprehending what we wrote. I am less sure we can count on this. And right or wrong, a reading deficit would not be a cognitive bias.

The End

I’m quite interested in this idea, that verbal issues are part of what causes conspiracy beliefs. I’d like to do more work on this in the future. But for now, my point is that confusion, with its many origins, rather than the systematic cognitive biases described with such terms as cognitive dissonance, are at the root of much of the conspiracy beliefs we see on the JREF and elsewhere.
 
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It would seem Conspiracy Theorist suffer from a mixture of most the above really.. Confusion thrown in with Cognitive Bias and a dash of mental illness in the mix.. I have found a lot of the ones I come across on YouTube tend to struggle to correctly form a sentence thats comprehensible. Also like you noted, I found a lot of the ones I deal with on YouTube are liars. They will comment on my videos, I will refute their comment and direct them towards the right answers, only to have the same users return a couple of weeks later spamming the exact same obvious untruthful thing.

Conspiracy theorists are not thinking properly.

Yup, you're right there :D

Good post, was an interesting read.
 
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Where do the racial / religious "Joos didit" crowd fit into this schema? There are peer influence and education / indoctrination factors also. Maybe I am missing something in your OP.

If we're talking about 9/11 conspiracy in the USA, you're going to have to elaborate about what you mean by this. For example, I agree with you completely that there are influences from education, and that is my point, or at least one of them. I'm not sure what you mean by indoctrination. As much as this is true, indoctrination is a social process and not a cognitive bias. Certainly I can understand there are social process involved in the dynamics of groups like We Are Change, but that's different than why people believe in a conspiracy theory.

If you're trying to argue that conspiracy theory is a social and not a psychological process, I would generally agree with you. In my signature, you'll find a link to an article I wrote about the political orientation of American 9/11 conspiracy theorists. However, the causal mechanism in this are not clear to me.

Why would someone fall in Da' "Joos didit" crowd? You just have to look at some of the 'Da' Jooz dit it' Truther JREF members. At least one of them has been involuntarily committed. I believe there are other prominent Da' Jooz did it Truthers who have been committed. As cjnewson88 points out, probably a lot of them are insane.

Besides, what I'm really trying to do here is sort out some confusion that went on in earlier threads about the cognitive mechanisms involved in 9/11 Truth beliefs.
 
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If we're talking about 9/11 conspiracy in the USA, you're going to have to elaborate about what you mean by this. For example, I agree with you completely that there are influences from education, and that is my point, or at least one of them. I'm not sure what you mean by indoctrination. As much as this is true, indoctrination is a social process and not a cognitive bias. Certainly I can understand there are social process involved in the dynamics of groups like We Are Change, but that's different than why people believe in a conspiracy theory.
I am speaking of indoctrination within the militia / white supremacy / Christian Identity / Islamic extremist groups which hold 9/11 views as a part of their spectrum of beliefs.
 
Rather, I see conspiracy beliefs as pathologies. They are the result of cognitive mechanisms that have broken down. Conspiracy theorists are not thinking properly. There are reasons for this, but they do not lie in the cognitive mechanisms that nature has provided us with to handle social life. And this is why conspiracy beliefs are not widely held, are transitory, and are immediately identifiable as the messed up thinking that they are.

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What I think is the most common source of conspiracy beliefs is confusion. I'm not really sure how to define this term. What I mean is something antithetical to cognition. 9/11 conspiracy beliefs are caused by a breakdown in the functioning of cognitive mechanisms. The mental illness I described above would probably be one example of this, but here I mean something more general. Something akin to a lack of the skills and abilities that make understanding possible.

Good post.

I think this is consistent with my own thoughts on the subject, except that I focused solely on the Truth Movement and did not generalize to other conspiracy theories.

As you correctly point out, the Truth Movement is not an artifact of cognitive dissonance or the Dunning-Kruger Effect, although these processes may have some role -- Dunning-Kruger only explains how one can remain blissfully ignorant of one's own total disconnect with reality. It does not explain how one got disconnected in the first place. I am also comfortable calling Trutherism a "pathology," since it is unquestionably an error. I would, however, note that people make these kinds of mistakes all the time, and that Trutherism is just an unusually obnoxious and complicated strain. (My father's fixation with the pre-fetch on his computer is based on another such error, albeit one that insults or irritates hardly anyone.)

I think your focus on "confusion" is appropriate. It's a mysterious thing. In my own paper I suggest that the "confusion" is basically a memory defect, and in the case of the Truth Movement I try to identify technological and sociological factors that promote such defects. But this kind of confusion can have many sources.

One thing I'd like to follow up, though it isn't clear how, is how many cases of "confusion" are actually caused by misinformation (essentially, lies from other Truthers) and how many are "honest" mistakes or fixations that just happened. The one and only real-life Truther victim I met was basically lied to, and bought into the lies not knowing any better. But such a traumatic event can naturally lead to sharp yet inaccurate recollections that aren't anybody's fault. This kind of study would also overlap with the question of intent, i.e. whether the conspiracy peddlers are themselves just confused, or actually irresponsible in their evangelism. I tend to think it is the former, but who knows.
 
I am speaking of indoctrination within the militia / white supremacy / Christian Identity / Islamic extremist groups which hold 9/11 views as a part of their spectrum of beliefs.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Nor am I sure how such groups represent 9/11 conspiracy beliefs. But I see this problem differently.

Groups like these hold a wide variety of beliefs and people do not come to them randomly. There are many similar people who have no interest in conspiracy beliefs or even believe things that are quite opposite. I'm not sure if this explains why some people join these and others do not, but I know that this happens

I can easily believe that it's people with certain backgrounds that seek out these groups. I can give you an example. We Are Change NY is the group that organizes the Ground Zero demonstration on September 11 - or at least it was until last year. WAC is labeled by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a Patriot group. I think this is correct. The past leader of this group Luke Rudkowski was kicked out because he was stealing vast amounts of money from them. He was replaced by Craig Fitzgerald.

Craig has little formal education. He has a criminal record and served prison time a few years ago. He says that during this time, he was introduced to conspiracy ideas. He joined WAC first but is also a member of the John Birch Society. He is also a Freemason. At one time, he was closely affiliated with the Bay Area National Anarchists which is a neo-Nazi skinhead group. The founder of this group is Andrew Yeoman who does not appear to be a 9/11 Truther or even a conspiracy theorists. He's just a good old fashion racist.

Craig thinks he is an anarchist, but also thinks that 'real' anarchism has nothing to do with the left wing. Craig has some unnamed medical problem that causes him to wear sunglasses most of the time.

Why does Craig believe in 9/11 conspiracies? Clearly, he's a very disturbed person. He was disturbed long before he heard of 9/11 Truth and the New World Order. What is the causal connection between his problems and why he has joined these various groups? Who can be sure? He's not a stupid guy, although he believes a lot of stupid things. In fact, he says that as a child, he tested in to a gifted child program but wan't admitted because he's a White man.

The situation is so complex you can make up any kind of story you want. 9/11 Truth is not a mass movement nor does it have mass appeal. We are talking about small numbers of people here. Is 9/11 Truth more comparable with the military or with a pedophile gang? My guess is that it shares a lot of similarities with the pedophiles. These are groups of people with a socially incompatible situation who band together for protection and reproduction of their situation. Clearly their association was constructed by their person condition.

In short, you could say that 9/11 Truth groups are gangs of mentally deranged people who have politicized their problems.

I don't know if this is true. I don't think enough is known about conspiracy beliefs to address this. My post was not meant to answer this point but just to deal with some of the misconceptions about 9/11 Truth and cognitive bias that I've seen in previous posts.


 
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Slap me around a bit, but I think some of the OP is unfair.

1. The forming of conspiracy theories is simply an extension of suspicion, which is a very useful human trait.

2. The forming of conspiracy theories is strongly encouraged by popular fiction in the form of books and movies, where it is quite common that there will be a "big reveal" at the end that will change our view of the perpetrator of a major event. Watch any episode of CSI or NCIS for examples.

That said, I do think that there is something mentally wrong with almost all the conspiracy theorists that we have run into WRT 9-11. Part of it is that they are not skeptics (despite their claims), but cynics. A skeptic demands to see some evidence; a cynic denies all evidence. It is very easy to be a cynic and you get a sense of superiority from it by claiming to see through all the smoke and mirrors around you.

I have also pointed out in the past that the initial 9-11 Truthers, like Haupt, Web Fairy, Holmgren, Killtown and Hufschmid, were quite obviously disturbed individuals. Over time, they amassed "evidence" which attracted less obviously mentally ill people (but still pretty wacky) like Griffin, Fetzer and Jones, who managed to package it in a form where it's not as clearly insane. Wrong, certainly but requiring a bit of sophistication to see where the errors lie, unlike the zany stuff that Haupt, Killtown and Web Fairy have gone on to promote.
 
Good post.

I think this is consistent with my own thoughts on the subject, except that I focused solely on the Truth Movement and did not generalize to other conspiracy theories.

As you correctly point out, the Truth Movement is not an artifact of cognitive dissonance or the Dunning-Kruger Effect, although these processes may have some role -- Dunning-Kruger only explains how one can remain blissfully ignorant of one's own total disconnect with reality. It does not explain how one got disconnected in the first place. I am also comfortable calling Trutherism a "pathology," since it is unquestionably an error. I would, however, note that people make these kinds of mistakes all the time, and that Trutherism is just an unusually obnoxious and complicated strain. (My father's fixation with the pre-fetch on his computer is based on another such error, albeit one that insults or irritates hardly anyone.)

I think your focus on "confusion" is appropriate. It's a mysterious thing. In my own paper I suggest that the "confusion" is basically a memory defect, and in the case of the Truth Movement I try to identify technological and sociological factors that promote such defects. But this kind of confusion can have many sources.

One thing I'd like to follow up, though it isn't clear how, is how many cases of "confusion" are actually caused by misinformation (essentially, lies from other Truthers) and how many are "honest" mistakes or fixations that just happened. The one and only real-life Truther victim I met was basically lied to, and bought into the lies not knowing any better. But such a traumatic event can naturally lead to sharp yet inaccurate recollections that aren't anybody's fault. This kind of study would also overlap with the question of intent, i.e. whether the conspiracy peddlers are themselves just confused, or actually irresponsible in their evangelism. I tend to think it is the former, but who knows.

Thank you. I wasn't able to comment on your position earlier, but as you see now, I generally agree with your direction. My problem with Krugger & Dunning is a fundamental problem of the methodology. I think the way this is studied is fundamentally flawed and does not have anything to do with what they think it shows. But I am unimportant PhD student and they are famous social psychologists, and you know how that works.

The pathology could be something you see in other situations. It could be a memory problem. Almost all the Truthers I know, I have met on the Net. The Truthers I know face-to-face are without exception seriously disturbed people. It's this that shapes my approach to the problem. That's an interesting suggestion though, and I have to think about it more.

I think I'm going to do some more work on this issue. It's new and that makes for a lot of interesting technical problems. Thanks for the comments.
 
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I don't know, Scott... somehow this doesn't ring to many bells in my mind.

Ok, I haven't studied psychology, I haven't systematically studied truther personalities, I haven't even read your OP twice. But...

You descibe some undefined, evasive "confusion" as the core of the problem. Well, to me this seems to boil down to "they are wrong because they are wrong". That doesn't teach us very much and doesn't answer the question why they are wrong that way and not any random other way. Blaming "confusion" doesn't advance us one step towards a solution.

Next: All that you say about cognitive bias and cognitive dissonance (and what it isn't, and what it usually leads to) is all very well. Except I think that you take one step too many when you declare that the process of resolving the dissonance is included in the phemomenon of said dissonance. But a) some here allege that truthers remain in a state of dissonance without working towards a resolution, as would be the normal process, and that makes them mentally different, or b) they take that resolution to wrong directions and distances. I'll explain: You quoted this: "Dissonance can be reduced by improving our evaluation of the chosen alternative or by lowering our evaluation of the unchosen alternative." WRT 9/11 issues, this could be achieved for example by handwaving evidence for the commonly accepted facts, or thinking of proponents of reality as traitors and evil agents, while overestimating the relevance or veracity of truther memes.
As cognitive dissonance arises from decisions, the question is: why are truthers biased such that they consistently make decisions that come with the highest dissonance?

I am not saying that dissonance or Dunning-Kruger are the reasons why truthers are truthers, but the former definitely needs to be accounted for, and the latter surely helps.

Re Dunning-Kruger: It's a common experience at the JREF forum, where many discussions focus on the technical aspects of 9/11 CTs, that new truther-trolls come here pushing the old nonsense that they copy&pasted from truther blogs, and because they now have some sciency sounding sentences, they believe they have it figured out.

Take "superlogicalthinker" as a prime example. Rarely has there been a poster here who struggled more with using science words correctly in a single sentence. He is the one who speculated that someone might have "added an organic property to nanothermite" (I don't remember the exact wording and am too lazy to search for it now - the point is that his wording reveals that he doesn't even understand the word "organic" in chemistry; in other words, does not understand chemistry at all, period). And then read his user name. I just stundied him for being sure there is no carbon signal in a simulated analysis of a material mix; he failed doubly: first by not seeing the carbon signal - it happened to be the biggest signal in the chart, maybe too big to be noticed; secondly, and more importantly, by failing to understand that the chart he was looking at was commissioned with the intent of showing a carbon signal (there had to be carbon in it because I defined the material to contain carbon more than anything else). How can we explain that a truther comes here, not only being the usual totally biased towards nonsense, but having the audacity to make bold - and wrong - claims about my brainchild in an arena of science that he clearly understands nothing about? One would think that he is aware of his inaptness in chemistry, and that he realizes there are probably two or three posters here who are much better than he is. Or would that assumption be mistaken - he is lacking that awareness? That's Dunning-Kruger then. Or he is aware of his inaptness, but not ashamed to say stupid things. What's that then - lying? Being stupid recklessly?

Yes, superlogicalthinker is confused. But Scott, your article doesn't help me to figure out what kind of confused, and how to help him.
 
I don't know, Scott... somehow this doesn't ring to many bells in my mind.

Ok, I haven't studied psychology, I haven't systematically studied truther personalities, I haven't even read your OP twice. But...

You descibe some undefined, evasive "confusion" as the core of the problem. Well, to me this seems to boil down to "they are wrong because they are wrong". That doesn't teach us very much and doesn't answer the question why they are wrong that way and not any random other way. Blaming "confusion" doesn't advance us one step towards a solution.

Next: All that you say about cognitive bias and cognitive dissonance (and what it isn't, and what it usually leads to) is all very well. Except I think that you take one step too many when you declare that the process of resolving the dissonance is included in the phemomenon of said dissonance. But a) some here allege that truthers remain in a state of dissonance without working towards a resolution, as would be the normal process, and that makes them mentally different, or b) they take that resolution to wrong directions and distances. I'll explain: You quoted this: "Dissonance can be reduced by improving our evaluation of the chosen alternative or by lowering our evaluation of the unchosen alternative." WRT 9/11 issues, this could be achieved for example by handwaving evidence for the commonly accepted facts, or thinking of proponents of reality as traitors and evil agents, while overestimating the relevance or veracity of truther memes.
As cognitive dissonance arises from decisions, the question is: why are truthers biased such that they consistently make decisions that come with the highest dissonance?

I am not saying that dissonance or Dunning-Kruger are the reasons why truthers are truthers, but the former definitely needs to be accounted for, and the latter surely helps.

Re Dunning-Kruger: It's a common experience at the JREF forum, where many discussions focus on the technical aspects of 9/11 CTs, that new truther-trolls come here pushing the old nonsense that they copy&pasted from truther blogs, and because they now have some sciency sounding sentences, they believe they have it figured out.

Take "superlogicalthinker" as a prime example. Rarely has there been a poster here who struggled more with using science words correctly in a single sentence. He is the one who speculated that someone might have "added an organic property to nanothermite" (I don't remember the exact wording and am too lazy to search for it now - the point is that his wording reveals that he doesn't even understand the word "organic" in chemistry; in other words, does not understand chemistry at all, period). And then read his user name. I just stundied him for being sure there is no carbon signal in a simulated analysis of a material mix; he failed doubly: first by not seeing the carbon signal - it happened to be the biggest signal in the chart, maybe too big to be noticed; secondly, and more importantly, by failing to understand that the chart he was looking at was commissioned with the intent of showing a carbon signal (there had to be carbon in it because I defined the material to contain carbon more than anything else). How can we explain that a truther comes here, not only being the usual totally biased towards nonsense, but having the audacity to make bold - and wrong - claims about my brainchild in an arena of science that he clearly understands nothing about? One would think that he is aware of his inaptness in chemistry, and that he realizes there are probably two or three posters here who are much better than he is. Or would that assumption be mistaken - he is lacking that awareness? That's Dunning-Kruger then. Or he is aware of his inaptness, but not ashamed to say stupid things. What's that then - lying? Being stupid recklessly?

Yes, superlogicalthinker is confused. But Scott, your article doesn't help me to figure out what kind of confused, and how to help him.

This is quite strange. I'm not sure I can answer the problems you're posting about. But I'm going to try. Now this is not so easy for me. I am going to question your knowledge about what you've posted and imply that you are making things up. I don't mean to be offensive but I may be. If I sound like a jerk, I don't mean to and I'll have to apologize ahead of time. Let me put it this way, there's a thing that we could call Truther Science. It would be the scientific world that Truthers describe in their posts. I am not an engineer or physical scientist, but I gather that Truther Science bears no resemblance to the actual physical world that you and others here work with as engineers or physical scientists.

There's another thing. We could call it JREF Psychology. It parallels Truther Science.
Let's take your statement that,
...a) some here allege that truthers remain in a state of dissonance without working towards a resolution, as would be the normal process, and that makes them mentally different,
Yes I do. And I have no idea what it means...no idea. It's like made up psychology...sentences with psychological sounding words that make no sense. All this does is point to complete confusion about what cognitive dissonance is and how it works. It's not this thing that stays in your head for years. To talk like this is just wrong.

The Dunning-Kruger problem is more complex, and here's where I may come across as offensive. Once again, I apologize. But here's my question to you. Where did you hear about this thing you call the Dunning-Kruger Effect? I bet it it's not from reading related technical papers. In fact, you may be surprised to know that Google Scholar produces almost no hits for a search of "Dunning–Kruger Effect". It gets 83 hits. The oldest one is 2009 and virtually none of them have citations. Not more than 3 or 4 are actual scientific papers. The rest include the NY Times and web posted papers. And more to my point is I doubt you've read any of these. Am I correct?

So where did you get this term from? Let me guess. You got it off the net. Maybe from the Wikipedia entry. Or from one of the several Youtube videos that deal with it.

You are aware there's an experimental literature that Dunng-Kruger is supposed to explain. Have you read any of it? There are dozens and maybe hundreds of papers addressing this. Have you read any of them? You are aware that virtually none of these papers use the term Dunning-Kruger Effect and there are other ways of understanding this problem.

I'm going to guess no you haven't and apologize later if I'm wrong. Have I read them? Yes. I have read dozens of them. So you can imagine how I feel about this cavalier use of the term.

Let's put it another way. I understand you have some significant knowledge of thermite. Imagine if I told you I had read a Wiki entry and an article by Steven Jones and then watched dozens of Youtube that said there was something to all this stuff about thermite at the WTC. How would you feel about what I had just said?

I hope this doesn't come across as too harsh. It's difficult to ask questions like this without being offensive.

Yes, superlogicalthinker is confused. But Scott, your article doesn't help me to figure out what kind of confused, and how to help him.

That's partly because this is only the beginning. These are seriously troubled people. It's not a simple thing to just point out that they're more confident than they should be about their judgments. These are people with serious issues. Some of them are mentally ill. Some of them can't read properly. Some of them have low IQ scores. Some of them have drug problems. I'm sure you've seen all this here. Some of them are technically illiterate. As Ryan Mackey pointed out, some of them have been lied to. I'm not sure how to help them. I'm not sure some of them can be helped. Some, I'm sure, should be in jail or in hospitals. But the cause of their problems with conspiracy beliefs are not to be found in cognitive biases.
 
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Scott, the answers to most of your questions was included in my opening phrases:
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I don't know, Scott... somehow this doesn't ring to many bells in my mind.

Ok, I haven't studied psychology, I haven't systematically studied truther personalities, I haven't even read your OP twice. But...
So no, I haven't read all that literature and yes I am a total amateur who took a mere a peak at Wikipedia and is struggling with the technical terms he is using.

But I am also not a chemist, and yet I have managed to educate myself to a level where I know what I understand about the "thermite" issue and, more importantly, what I don't know. You see, I consider myself to be pretty intelligent all around (I can back up that opinion with data - e.g. I had, along with only 2 fellow students, the best grade point average in my high school class of about 240; so at the time it was fair to put me academically in the top 1% percentile of those born in 1967/68 in my home town. I know that among the three top scorers, I put in the least effort).

I guess my problem at this time seems to be the term "cognitive dissonance" has nothing to do with "cognition", only with "behaviour" and "attitudes"; that "cognitive bias" is not necessarily biased; and that people who overestimate their abilities oder don't understand the abilities of their adversaries do not exist. Is that your feeling, too? I apologize for using words in ways a layman would. It is often surprising to people like me how words mean something totally different once they are incorporated into a new science.
 
and that people who overestimate their abilities oder don't understand the abilities of their adversaries do not exist.

A bit of german pushing through :D sorry for the interruption, please continue...
 
As a non-native English speaker I'm having great difficulty in participating in a discussion of this kind of complexity. So instead I choose to respond to a post that I understand better :p sorry.

I have also pointed out in the past that the initial 9-11 Truthers, like Haupt, Web Fairy, Holmgren, Killtown and Hufschmid, were quite obviously disturbed individuals. Over time, they amassed "evidence" which attracted less obviously mentally ill people (but still pretty wacky) like Griffin, Fetzer and Jones, who managed to package it in a form where it's not as clearly insane. Wrong, certainly but requiring a bit of sophistication to see where the errors lie, unlike the zany stuff that Haupt, Killtown and Web Fairy have gone on to promote.

I agree with this completely. The initial truthers were more or less disturbed. These were the people who believed in a conspiracy from the earliest stages back in 2001-2002. There were some outstandingly idiotic claims, but at the time there was no debunking, none. These original loonies did the one thing that enabled everything to expand. They hit the internet. Some of the early loonies wrote some influental books, but it was the internet material that started to convince these less obviosly disturbed people (Hoffman, Griffin, Jones). Once these guys were convinced, they were able to package the content in a much more appealing and convincing form. And the rest is history. The popularity exploded with Loose Change, another use of internet to expand the TM.

So what happened with Hoffman, Griffin, Jones, Gage, and later with all the internet truthers out there who watched Loose Change or 9/11 Mysteries or whatever internet article or conspiracy movie out there?

In this post I refer to the phenomenon, as some ae911truth volunteers described their emotions, and dedication to 911truth.

Richard Gage had to stop his car to the side of the road when he had that moment.

It's the life-changing experience. The realization that wow!, can this really be true, this changes EVERYTHING. Entire world view is challenged. It's a feeling that leads to intense search for more information about this incredible experience that thrills your mind. The sad consequence is usually an internet search with phrases like "controlled demolition" or "WTC 7", which at least a couple of years ago used to lead to an overwhelming amount of conspiracy websites, which only reinforces this life-changing experience. David Ray Griffin followed this internet search path into eventual trutherism and abandoned all his work in theology. Steven Jones was forced to abandon his job. Gage has no job, but has said that he is the happiest he has ever been, doing the most important thing he could imagine.

The life-changing experience and the deceptional thinking that you have confirmed the fact (inside job) with your own research, makes 9/11 truth so sticky, so part of your self, and so important to your life, that it doesn't matter how much others ridicule you, or what facts they present. Because you have figured it out yourself.

It would take another equally emotional life-changing experience the other way around. It's hard to change one's world view back in another direction, once it has already been changed in the other direction.
 
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It would seem Conspiracy Theorist suffer from a mixture of most the above really.. Confusion thrown in with Cognitive Bias and a dash of mental illness in the mix.. I have found a lot of the ones I come across on YouTube tend to struggle to correctly form a sentence thats comprehensible. Also like you noted, I found a lot of the ones I deal with on YouTube are liars. They will comment on my videos, I will refute their comment and direct them towards the right answers, only to have the same users return a couple of weeks later spamming the exact same obvious untruthful thing.



Yup, you're right there :D

Good post, was an interesting read.

With regards to the highlight...this might have some small basis of truth when it comes to truthers over a certain age...but in my experience, truthers tend to be kids in the 16-24 age range.

I try to remember what I was like during those years. I seem to recall being a big ball of naivety. I was easily sucked in to ideas of UFO's, Bermuda Triangles, and Nessies.

But the thing is...I wanted to believe in those things. Because, wouldn't that be awesome! I would get pretty disjointed if someone tried to convince me otherwise. Because if those CT's weren't true...well, then...the world is a pretty boring place.

Anyway...mental illness?...I don't think so. Mental incapacity? That sounds like a better description.
 

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