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The Bicameral Mind

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I find this theory intruiging, if far from convincing, because it addresses something which I have no hope of directly observing but which I find myself unexpectedly curious about - the personal mindset of individuals living in barely or unrecorded pre-history, who's behavior still has a profound effect on our society in the form of religion as well as much else. Who were these people and were they insane? Could individuals' consciousness, like culture, science, and politics have, change that significantly over time, so much so that most individuals in pre-history would be considered mentally ill by modern standards? I like this theory even if I don't fully believe it because the ancient world and past time periods progressively being populated by mad men is an easy explanation for why the world is like it is today.


"At one time human nature was split in two, an executive part called a god, and a follower part called a man.
Neither part was Consciously aware."[1]

According to Jaynes, ancient people in the bicameral state would function in a manner similar to that of a modern-day schizophrenic. Rather than making conscious evaluations in novel or unexpected situations, the person would hallucinate a voice or "god" giving admonitory advice or commands, and obey these voices without question. Others have argued that this state of mind is recreated in members of cults.[2]

In his 1976 work The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind, Julian Jaynes proposed that human brains existed in a bicameral state until as recently as 3000 years ago. Jaynes builds a case for this theory by citing evidence from many diverse sources including historical literature. He took an interdisciplinary approach, drawing data from many different fields.[3]

Jaynes asserts that until roughly the times written about in Homer's Iliad, humans did not generally have the self-awareness characteristic of consciousness as most people experience it today. Rather, Jaynes argued that the bicameral individual was guided by mental commands believed to be issued by external "gods"—the commands which were so often recorded in ancient myths, legends and historical accounts; these commands were however emanating from individuals' own minds. This is exemplified not only in the commands given to characters in ancient epics but also the very muses of Greek mythology which "sang" the poems: Jaynes argues that while later interpretations see the muses as a simple personification of creative inspiration, the ancients literally heard muses as the direct source of their music and poetry.

Jaynes inferred that these "voices" came from the right brain counterparts of the left brain language centres—specifically, the counterparts to Wernicke's area and Broca's area. These regions are somewhat dormant in the right brains of most modern humans, but Jaynes noted that some studies show that auditory hallucinations cause increased activity in these areas of the brain.[3]

For example, he asserts that, in The Iliad and sections of the Old Testament in The Bible, no mention is made of any kind of cognitive processes such as introspection, and he argues that there is no apparent indication that the writers were self-aware. According to Jaynes, the older portions of the Old Testament (such as the Book of Amos) have little or none of the features of some later books of the Old Testament (such as Ecclesiastes) as well as later works such as The Odyssey, which show indications of a profoundly different kind of mentality—an early form of consciousness.[3]

Jaynes noted that in ancient societies, the corpses of the dead were often treated as though they were still alive (being seated on chairs, dressed in clothing, and even fed food) and he argued that the dead bodies were presumed to be still living and the source of auditory hallucinations (see ancestor worship).[3] This adaptation to the village communities of 100 individuals or more formed the core of religion. Unlike today's hallucinations, the voices of ancient times were structured by cultural norms to produce a seamlessly functioning society.

In ancient times, Jaynes noted, gods were generally much more numerous and much more anthropomorphic than in modern times, and speculates that this was because each bicameral person had their own "god" who reflected their own desires and experiences.[4]

Even in modern times, Jaynes notes that there is no consensus as to the cause or origins of schizophrenia (the subject is still hotly debated). According to Jaynes, schizophrenia is simply a vestige of humanity's earlier state.[3] Jaynes noted that many schizophrenics have "command hallucinations" wherein the "voices" command the schizophrenic to commit certain acts. In Jaynes' argument, these command hallucinations are little different from the commands from gods which feature so prominently in ancient stories.[3]

The Flynn effect is another, better documented case of changing mental states of societies over time but is contentious and another discussion. While I believe that individuals in past eras would be considered less mentally healthy by our standards, I do not, for the record, believe this theory is true, as it was not submitted for peer review and remains only conjecture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Consciousness_in_the_Breakdown_of_the_Bicameral_Mind
 
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I read this book, by Dr. Julian Jaynes, for an English Lit class of mine a year ago, and it was absolutely fascinating. Really shows how gullible we are to our brain's "unconscious" movements throughout life.

We really have no idea what the hell is going on, or so it seems.

Jaynes was brilliant, I must admit, even if for the theory and nothing else.

Although I suspect there is much else.
 
...wonder how Jaynes' bicameral breakdown theory overlaps with research into the so-called "God Spot"?
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I think this theory goes a little too far, but that your brain is really two lobes, each capable of being independently conscious (as demonstrated by hemispherectomies) is well-established. How they merge to give rise to a single consciousness from what would otherwise be two is also of great interest.

That this overriding wrapper can get corrupted, or one or both lobes go off into the weeds, leading to various mental disorders in schizophrenia are also of high interest.
 
I don't think the theory holds any merit. From the brief summary it fails to present a strong argument. Anyway if the ancient Greeks were like schizophrenics I'm impressed by the level of construction they accomplished. A bothersome part about psychology, the lack of solid theories. Psychology is still an infant science so all that can be done is speculation in cases like this.
 

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