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The ACLU

Ian

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Are the ACLU's complaints about the Patriot Act legitimate or should we worry about what they say about it?
 
I don't know the specifics of the ACLU's complaints, but the Patriot Act has all the hallmarks of being bad legislation - it was rushed through in a hurry in response to a particular incident, it is very wide ranging and it gives an aweful lot of power to a plethora of government agencies who will, of course, never make mistakes, be corrupt or have anything but your best interests at heart.

We are going through a very similar thing here in the UK (where our "left wing" government just can't cuddle up close enough to nice Mr Bush).

Here is one comment by security expert Bruce Schneier
One of the problems with laws is that the crimes that justify their passage are not always the crimes they are used against. In the United States, the RICO (Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organizations) law was passed to help fight organized crime, but was used against anti-abortion protesters and relatively minor drug offenders. And the Patriot Act, passed to help fight terrorism, is being used against a variety of other crimes.

According to a TRAC report, definitions of "terrorism" have broadened considerably. The AP reports that the Justice Department admits that the Patriot Act has been used "to crack down on currency smugglers and seize money hidden overseas by alleged bookies, con artists, and drug dealers." So someone with a pipe bomb in California is suddenly charged with "terrorism using a weapon of mass destruction," and a North Carolina man who had a methamphetamine lab is suddenly charged with breaking a new state law barring the manufacture of chemical weapons. The Justice Department has even been conducting seminars on how to use the new wiretapping provisions in the Patriot Act in non-terrorism cases.

It's a big deal. The guy with the meth lab could get 12 years to life in prison for a crime that, under the old laws, was only worth about six months. The Patriot Act was hurriedly passed less than two months after 9/11 with almost no debate. That was a mistake, but it echoed the national mood about terrorism. Having the law applied broadly against common criminals is something that we shouldn't do lightly. Security is a trade-off, and the trade-offs in the Patriot Act were extreme. Maybe treating drug dealers like terrorists is something Americans want. But we should debate it in public, and not let the Justice Department sneak it by us.
 
Patriot Act

I agree that the Patriot Act should not be misused. I think that people should have checks and balances in place so that they can moniter what the Patriot Act has been used for and then they can debate about whether or not it has been used against terrorists. I think that this is a little bit like the Commmunist witch hunts that the McCarthyists did back in the 1950's.
 

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