Cont: Texas bans abortion. Part 2

[The Great Zaganza]

ironically, most arguments people use in defense of homeschooling or anti-vax ("they are our kids and no government gets to tell us what to do with them) are suddenly invalid when it comes to abortion.

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Posted By: zooterkin

 

[psionl0]

ironically, most arguments people use in defense of homeschooling or anti-vax ("they are our kids and no government gets to tell us what to do with them) are suddenly invalid when it comes to abortion.

I'm not sure that the correlation between anti-vaxxers and anti-abortionists is all that high.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I'm not sure that the correlation between anti-vaxxers and anti-abortionists is all that high.

more than you think, I believe.

But my point is that the anti-vax/homeschool argument that the government cannot possibly tell parents what to do with their children is similar to the argument that the government cannot possibly tell a pregnant woman what to do with her unborn.
And the former case is more serious, as there is no question that we are dealing with children.

 

[Tero]

I'm not sure that the correlation between anti-vaxxers and anti-abortionists is all that high.

It's quite high. GOP is the anti abortion anti vaxx party. You will not find Democrats opposing vaccination.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/27/anti-vaccine-republican-mainstream-1344955

 

[psionl0]

more than you think, I believe.

But my point is that the anti-vax/homeschool argument that the government cannot possibly tell parents what to do with their children is similar to the argument that the government cannot possibly tell a pregnant woman what to do with her unborn.
And the former case is more serious, as there is no question that we are dealing with children.

The arguments may be similar but that doesn't mean that the same people are making one argument against vaccination and the opposite argument against abortion.

 

[AcesHigh]

Yes,that is also true and perhaps something I should have specified.
Maternal mortality in the USA ranges from an almost acceptable *by European standards) 4.0 in California to a truly awful 58.1 in Louisiana. The latter is comparable to "semi-developed" countries likes Ecuador and Brazil and about half that of India.
Texas, at 38.1 per 100k is comparable to Thailand and worse than Cuba; it's the eighth worst in the USA.

in Brazil, the 4 best states have around 31-35 per 100k Maternal Mortality rates.

Hemorrages are the main cause, followed by abortions. In fact, maternal deaths by abortion are increasing at alarming rate in Brazil.

I suppose illegal or even self made abortions are the leading cause here.

 

[zooterkin]

Several posts moved to AAH for being off topic.

This thread is about Texas banning abortion, not Covid-19 vaccinations.

Thank you!

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[smartcooky]

The arguments may be similar but that doesn't mean that the same people are making one argument against vaccination and the opposite argument against abortion.

Wrong! In Texas, it is EXACTLY the same people

Governor Greg Abbot pushed for, and signed Texas SB8 - https://www.texastribune.org/2021/05/18/texas-heartbeat-bill-abortions-law/

Governor Greg Abbot signed an executive order banning vaccine mandates in Texas - https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/11/texas-greg-abbott-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/

So, unless there are two Governor Greg Abbots in Texas, that is the EXACT the same guy... Governor Greg Abbot, anti-abortionist and anti-vaxxer!

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Yep. Government has no power over family matters unless I want it to.
It's the core schizophrenia of modern conservatism that it wants a weak government on some issues an a complete dictatorship on others.

 

[cosmicaug]

'We've been preparing for a post-Roe world': Ripples from Texas abortion law spread to Illinois safe haven.

The day was jampacked at a Planned Parenthood clinic in southern Illinois when a woman who had just driven over 12 hours from Louisiana for an abortion procedure erupted into tears during her health intake.

Kawanna Shannon, the surgical services director at the Reproductive Health Services of Planned Parenthood of the St. Louis Region, dropped her tasks and led the woman into a private room to talk. The woman said she was panicking because she had used her rent money to pay for child care for her two kids, rent a car, buy gas and drive to the clinic in Fairview Heights.

The days leading up to and after Texas’ restrictive abortion law went into effect, clinics in surrounding states became overbooked, diverting patients further away, including this patient who only had one extra day off work to get the procedure done, Shannon said. The woman's only option was Illinois, but it cost her her rent, she said.
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[Stacyhs]

'We've been preparing for a post-Roe world': Ripples from Texas abortion law spread to Illinois safe haven.

Yep, this law hits the poor the hardest. And the poor are disproportionately minorities in a state whose voting demographics are changing. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[psionl0]

Wrong! In Texas, it is EXACTLY the same people person

Governor Greg Abbot pushed for, and signed Texas SB8 - https://www.texastribune.org/2021/05/18/texas-heartbeat-bill-abortions-law/

Governor Greg Abbot signed an executive order banning vaccine mandates in Texas - https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/11/texas-greg-abbott-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/

So, unless there are two Governor Greg Abbots in Texas, that is the EXACT the same guy... Governor Greg Abbot, anti-abortionist and anti-vaxxer!

ftfy.

It's quite high. GOP is the anti abortion anti vaxx party. You will not find Democrats opposing vaccination.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/27/anti-vaccine-republican-mainstream-1344955

That's only Republicans. I doubt that you will find such inconsistency (free choice and oppression) among the general population.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

You are waving away a quarter of the citizenry as "not being part of the general population" ?

 

[psionl0]

You are waving away a quarter of the citizenry as "not being part of the general population" ?

Simultaneously believing that someone has the right to control their own body (anti-vax) and doesn't have the right to control their own body (abortion) seems to be a defining characteristic of Republicans.

I could be wrong and a large chunk of the other three quarters of the citizenry are equally inconsistent but I would need to see some evidence of this.

 

[Warp12]

Yep, this law hits the poor the hardest. And the poor are disproportionately minorities in a state whose voting demographics are changing. Coincidence? I think not.

I sure hope it doesn't lead to more responsible use of birth control. Of course, people are probably getting pregnant by drinking the water, anyway.

 

[a_unique_person]

If they are serious about reducing abortions, and I think everyone agrees it's better in a woman doesn't need one, have quality sex education. Preventing unwanted pregnancies and being smart about having sex is a great start. And I'm looking at you, Catholic Church, with your oppostion to the pill and other birth control methods. Also make them cheap and affordable.

 

[Craig4]

For starters, if the SCOTUS overturns Roe, Americans should ignore it. There are two sexual predators on the bench. The Barret girl is part of a weird ass sex cult and thinks her relationship with her husband is about the same as that of a dog to its master. All three if they had any integrity (and obviously don't or they wouldn't be on the court) should recuse themselves.

If the Court overturns Roe, our political leaders should just make it clear that women can't get justice from the SCOTUS and since the justices betrayed their oaths, citizens should enforce Roe. If you end up on a jury for an unconstitutional prosecution of an abortion case, lie; say you're pro life and hang the jury. If you're a cop, pretend not to see abortions or lose the evidence. Don't prosecute or cases. If you're a judge summarily dismiss cases with prejudice. Americans can support and defend the Constitution and correct the SCOTUS's error even if some of the justices betray their oaths.

 

[Warp12]

For starters, if the SCOTUS overturns Roe, Americans should ignore it. There are two sexual predators on the bench. The Barret girl is part of a weird ass sex cult and thinks her relationship with her husband is about the same as that of a dog to its master. All three if they had any integrity (and obviously don't or they wouldn't be on the court) should recuse themselves.

LOL.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

If they are serious about reducing abortions, and I think everyone agrees it's better in a woman doesn't need one, have quality sex education. Preventing unwanted pregnancies and being smart about having sex is a great start. And I'm looking at you, Catholic Church, with your oppostion to the pill and other birth control methods. Also make them cheap and affordable.

Putting sluts in their place is also a high priority, though.

 

[Stacyhs]

It will be interesting to see what the SC rules about this. Unsurprisingly, the 5th Circuit is among the most conservative in the country.

The U.S. Justice Department will ask the Supreme Court to put on hold Texas' restrictive abortion law as legal challenges against the law proceed.

"The Justice Department intends to ask the Supreme Court to vacate the Fifth Circuit's stay of the preliminary injunction against Texas Senate Bill 8," Anthony Coley, a DOJ spokesman, said in a statement.

The motion comes a day after the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit, in a 2-1 order, sided with Texas and left the ban in place. Last week, a federal judge granted an emergency request from the Justice Department and blocked enforcement of the law, which in effect bans all abortions after about six weeks.

The Justice Department filed its lawsuit against Texas last month, arguing that the legislation is unconstitutional. It says the bill violates the Supremacy Clause as well as the equal protection afforded under the 14th Amendment. It also says it violates U.S. Supreme Court precedent.