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Terrorist attack stopped in Melbourne

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Werribee man charged with terrorism offences over alleged Federation Square massacre plot

A man has faced court charged with terrorism offences after allegedly trying to get a gun and plotting to "shoot as many people as he could" on New Year's Eve.

Ali Khalif Shire Ali, 20, from Werribee, was arrested at a home in Melbourne's south-west just before 3:00pm on Monday.

He appeared before Melbourne Magistrates' Court this afternoon charged with preparing to commit a terrorist attack and gathering documents to facilitate a terrorist act.
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Police said they moved in today because he had been having face-to-face meetings about getting a gun.

Mr Ali, who police said was connected to other extremists, did not manage to obtain one, Deputy Commissioner Patton said.
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The man could not obtain a gun. Think about that for just a moment.

In Parliament today, the Justice Minister Michael Keenan had this to say:

This is the 14th time that our authorities have stopped an attack from occurring in Australia since 2014. That hasn’t happened because of luck, that’s happened because our agencies are very, very good at what they do.
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That poor mans right to brutally massacre and injure an unknown quantity of people has been shamefully curtailed. The poor man now has to resort to hoping people drown in swimming pools to spread his twisted point of view.

What have we become?
 
Hungry81 said:
That poor mans right to brutally massacre and injure an unknown quantity of people has been shamefully curtailed. The poor man now has to resort to hoping people drown in swimming pools to spread his twisted point of view.

What have we become?
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Indeed, a totalitarian hellhole is Melbourne.

No doubt we will see massive protest marches about this violent curtailment of freedom to kill people.....
 
Freedom means having unrestricted access to the specialist tools that allow you to murder dozens of people in as short a time as possible. This is the MOST IMPORTANT freedom, without which any other freedom is pointless. It cannot be restricted, not from terrorists, not from lunatics and not from window licking tards. If you and your family die in a shooting crime you should die proud of your sacrifice for freedom.

Australia, you should hang your head in shame. The freedom not to be shot by crazies is NOT guaranteed by the Holy US Constitution. You need to live in fear of the crazies among you and assuage that fear by arming yourselves.

Only when all of Australia is peopled by ignorant untrained psycho gun owners ready to kill you for any perceived reason or none can you call yourselves free.

Seriously though, as good an example as this is of the effectiveness of gun control on preventing random crazy crime, what works in Australia just is not practical in the US.
 
Did he try to get the "automatic rifle" legally, or illegally? And what is meant in Australia by "automatic"?

I'd like to think that this guy would have had to buy a gun illegally here in the US, given his background and connections, but I know that our system could possibly fail to reject him at the NICS check, unfortunately.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...g/news-story/23ad47571143ccaa75c2b71bec5605db
 
LTC8K6 said:
Did he try to get the "automatic rifle" legally, or illegally? And what is meant in Australia by "automatic"?

I'd like to think that this guy would have had to buy a gun illegally here in the US, given his background and connections, but I know that our system could possibly fail to reject him at the NICS check, unfortunately.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...g/news-story/23ad47571143ccaa75c2b71bec5605db
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Is there any link between the amount of legally owned weapons and the amount of illegal weapons in circulation?
 
LTC8K6 said:
What rifle was he trying to buy? And how?

Did gun control laws actually stop him or not?
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I don't know. I was asking another question that I don't actually know the answer to, and which is pertinent to the argument that an increase of guns in a society doesn't lead to an increase in shootings.
 
Hungry81 said:
That poor mans right to brutally massacre and injure an unknown quantity of people has been shamefully curtailed. The poor man now has to resort to hoping people drown in swimming pools to spread his twisted point of view.
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Or rent a truck.
 
uke2se said:
I don't know. I was asking another question that I don't actually know the answer to, and which is pertinent to the argument that an increase of guns in a society doesn't lead to an increase in shootings.
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How do you reliably count the number of illegal firearms in circulation?

I'm also not sure how exactly you'd define an illegal firearm in the USA.
We have some odd regulations about what is legal and not regarding barrels and stocks and attachments.

I think by most US definitions, we have comparatively few illegal firearms in circulation in the USA, since we don't ban a lot of firearms in general.

We do have a lot of people carrying/possessing legal firearms illegally.

We seem to get a fascination with banning "assault rifles" every few years, when rifles are rarely used in crimes, and a handgun is far easier to conceal and use to commit a mass murder.

The fascination even seems to be held by the mass shooters themselves, who often choose to use a rifle, when a pistol would have been easier to use to commit the crime.

We used to be fascinated with banning handguns and Saturday night specials.

The tide seems to ebb and flow and change direction over time.
 
LTC8K6 said:
How do you reliably count the number of illegal firearms in circulation?

I'm also not sure how exactly you'd define an illegal firearm in the USA.
We have some odd regulations about what is legal and not regarding barrels and stocks and attachments.

I think by most US definitions, we have comparatively few illegal firearms in circulation in the USA, since we don't ban a lot of firearms in general.

We do have a lot of people carrying/possessing legal firearms illegally.

We seem to get a fascination with banning "assault rifles" every few years, when rifles are rarely used in crimes, and a handgun is far easier to conceal and use to commit a mass murder.

The fascination even seems to be held by the mass shooters themselves, who often choose to use a rifle, when a pistol would have been easier to use to commit the crime.

We used to be fascinated with banning handguns and Saturday night specials.

The tide seems to ebb and flow and change direction over time.
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I'd define an illegal weapon as an illegally owned weapon. I'm not talking tanks or nuclear bombs.

As for how you count them, I believe law enforcement should be able to estimate it. They do in Sweden.
 
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uke2se said:
I'd define an illegal weapon as an illegally owned weapon. I'm not talking tanks or nuclear bombs.

As for how you count them, I believe law enforcement should be able to estimate it. They do in Sweden.
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Sigh... Tanks are legal.

And I was wondering why so many "Australian gun laws don't really work!" Posts suddenly popped up on my FB feed.
 
uke2se said:
I'd define an illegal weapon as an illegally owned weapon. I'm not talking tanks or nuclear bombs.

As for how you count them, I believe law enforcement should be able to estimate it. They do in Sweden.
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Tanks and cannons can be legally owned and fired in the USA. Some types of bombs/explosives as well. You just have to go through the permitting process when required.

I can legally have quite a lot of gun powder in my possession without any sort of permit.

What people can legally own, criminals can steal, such as dynamite at a construction or mining site.

I can't see how we'd ever have any idea of how many people in the USA are presently illegally in possession of a firearm.
 
Still sounds like the discussion should be about the attempt and the way he was found out and stopped, not gun laws in Australia and how they relate to those in the US as the main topic.
 
LTC8K6 said:
I can't see how we'd ever have any idea of how many people in the USA are presently illegally in possession of a firearm.
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We have a similar problem in the UK with regards to there being no solid way to determine how many illegal firearms there are out on the streets. The thing is, if someone knows where to ask, they can easily buy a firearm here, and I mean easily.
 
arthwollipot said:
The man could not obtain a gun. Think about that for just a moment.
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Thought about it.

It isn’t that he couldn’t get a gun. Apparently he could. That’s why the Australian authorities had to move on him before he was able acquire one. Bit of a difference.

Good on your police and I’m glad he won’t be bringing harm to anyone.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Did he try to get the "automatic rifle" legally, or illegally? And what is meant in Australia by "automatic"?

I'd like to think that this guy would have had to buy a gun illegally here in the US, given his background and connections, but I know that our system could possibly fail to reject him at the NICS check, unfortunately.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...g/news-story/23ad47571143ccaa75c2b71bec5605db
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Let's say that he was trying to get one illegally. How quickly would he have been able to succeed in America?
 
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