Teabagger Whacktards Pledge to Bring Back Torture

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So at this point, are any of you erstwhile Republicans going to bolt your party? Do you really support restarting the torture sites in 2013? You think that's moral, legal, and wise?

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I really thought this nightmare was over. We lost our way for a few years, Cheney got out of control, Obama spared them all from jail time, and we moved on.

Do GOPers really pine for the days of Abu Ghraib and torture sites? Really?
 
I can only think of two people, right now, who should be waterboarded. Not that it would gain us any useful "intelligence" in any sense of that word. They just deserve to have it done to them for wishing it on others.
 
Hey, I don't usually agree with your choice of words, but anyone who pledges to bring back torture should rightly be called a drongo.

Seriously.
 
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Unabogie said:
People who knew Cheney back then say he changed by the time he became VP. Some speculate his heart troubles caused a personality change.
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Look at his mouth. There appears to have been some kind of neurological problem developing already.
 
madfoot said:
And do what, become a Democrat? It's not like we have any real choice in this country.
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Many sane Republicans have become Democrats. Colin Powell, for instance. This is why the Dems have moved rightward in recent years. I can't tell you what to do, but if your party wants to normalize torture as official US policy, I don't see how you could vote for them.
 
eeyore1954 said:
I feel it goes well with our drone bombing program.
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No. You need reliable intel to use the drones to good effect.

Inspite of what a pack of idiots with no clue about intelligence may tell you, you do not get it from waterboarding.

None of the merry morons had a clue what they were doing when they started waterboarding people. That's why it took two years for Obama to get ObL. All the intel left by the dimwits was crap and Obama had to send some grown-ups out to get some real stuff.
 
Unabogie said:
Many sane Republicans have become Democrats. Colin Powell, for instance. This is why the Dems have moved rightward in recent years. I can't tell you what to do, but if your party wants to normalize torture as official US policy, I don't see how you could vote for them.
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And what if I'm not a warmongerer? If the Republicans aren't good for me, there's no way the Democrats (the party of Truman, LBJ, and Obama!) are.

Is it possible that US political parties aren't hiveminds, and actually include millions of individuals with competing and often conflicting ideologies? Is it possible that I can be a Republican who doesn't endorse everything a mainstream Republican believes in?
 
leftysergeant said:
No. You need reliable intel to use the drones to good effect.

Inspite of what a pack of idiots with no clue about intelligence may tell you, you do not get it from waterboarding.

None of the merry morons had a clue what they were doing when they started waterboarding people. That's why it took two years for Obama to get ObL. All the intel left by the dimwits was crap and Obama had to send some grown-ups out to get some real stuff.
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Jeez, and here I thought the Democrats' anti-torture shtick was partly about doing the right thing, not just efficiency.
 
For the most part, Liberals have no short term or long term memory.

It was the Liberal Democrats lawmakers who stood up after 9-11-2001 and demanded that if torture would prevent another 9-11, they were all for it.

If you do some research on brainterminal you will find Clinton and Gore, not Bush, were always outspoken about getting rid of Saddam too.

And for all this Bull about being anti-war and pro-peace, it is the Left that deal with war on the cheap and drag it on for years and decades instead of getting the job done. And thus they cost more money and more lives and make us look weak on the international stage.

The Democrats are all about smoke and mirrors. They just say what you want to hear and what you want to believe. They are not grounded in reality but rather a fantasy fueled by wishful thinking. They say if the USA was kinder and more loving, that love and kindness will be returned. yeah, right. Bill Clinton tried that. He failed.

The Audacity of Hope is right. Do the right thing. Do the right thing even if it does not work and has nefarious and mind-warpingly horrific outcomes that even a child could see as being a logical result.
 
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Bill Thompson said:
For the most part, Liberals have no short term or long term memory.

It was the Liberal Democrats lawmakers who stood up after 9-11-2001 and demanded that if torture would prevent another 9-11, they were all for it.

If you do some research on brainterminal you will find Clinton and Gore, not Bush, were always outspoken about getting rid of Saddam too.

And for all this Bull about being anti-war and pro-peace, it is the Left that deal with war on the cheap and drag it on for years and decades instead of getting the job done.
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And waging long term expensive wars are better than cheap inexpensive ones? Someone’s mind is in a vice right now.

ETA: World Wars I & II?
 
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Bill Thompson said:
For the most part, Liberals have no short term or long term memory.
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Conservatives have forgotten the lessons of the First Great Republican Depression and WWII.

It was the Liberal Democrats lawmakers who stood up after 9-11-2001 and demanded that if torture would prevent another 9-11, they were all for it.
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Would youcare to document that?

If you do some research on brainterminal you will find Clinton and Gore, not Bush, were always outspoken about getting rid of Saddam too.
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When did they ever recommend such an idotic idea as an invasion and occupation to do it? I always thought they were talking more about the sort of thing that Obama did in Libya. (In case you missed that episode, it worked.)

And for all this Bull about being anti-war and pro-peace, it is the Left that deal with war on the cheap and drag it on for years and decades instead of getting the job done. And thus they cost more money and more lives and make us look weak on the international stage.
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Cow cookies. WWII didn't take as long as the crap that Bush the Lesser got us into.

And it took a Democrat to come up with a strategy that actually hurt al Qaeda more than it did innocent by-standers.
 
to outsiders, one of the funniest things about Americans is the perennial debate between red and blue.

because it is true, you have no actual real choices, just minor unimportant subjects to argue amongst each other about while the real business of the USA carries on regardless of whichever puppet reads the teleprompter.

it's a 2 headed snake, and neither the rep or dem head is going to make a blind bit of difference to the fate of the mice.

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madfoot said:
Jeez, and here I thought the Democrats' anti-torture shtick was partly about doing the right thing, not just efficiency.
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Eeeyore had addressed the tactic and strategic value of waterboarding, and I addressed only that aspect of it.

I do also have moral objections to it.

Anyone who authorized it, along with those worthless sacks of crap who thought there was nothing wrong with suspending a suspect my his wrists and putting him in diapers for days at a time should never again walk among decent humans.
 
leftysergeant said:
Eeeyore had addressed the tactic and strategic value of waterboarding, and I addressed only that aspect of it.

I do also have moral objections to it.

Anyone who authorized it, along with those worthless sacks of crap who thought there was nothing wrong with suspending a suspect my his wrists and putting him in diapers for days at a time should never again walk among decent humans.
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I was not talking about tactics I was talking about the moral "high ground". Putting a man in diapers for days at a time is morally wrong but if we had just killed him in a drone bombing not in a war zone or combat situation it is not?
 
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