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Susan Blackmore contracts apocalyptic fever

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http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/sue_blackmore/2006/03/billions_are_going_to_die_but.html

In all probability billions of people are going to die in the next few decades. Our poor, abused planet simply cannot take much more. As Jim Lovelock points out in his "Revenge of Gaia", she has a fever, and we are the bug that's causing it. The carrying capacity of the earth is possibly a billion or two; it's certainly far lower than the current plague of humans.

I know this. The science has been building up for years and is now clear. When sea levels rise further millions will drown, when the deserts grow bigger millions will starve, when the glaciers end their present flood of excess melt water vast cities will become uninhabitable almost overnight. Then what?

:oldroll:

What follows could fairly be described as eco-fascism and social darwinism. Don't believe me? Read the article.
 
Finally, we might decide that civilisation itself is worth preserving. In that case we have to work out what to save and which people would be needed in a drastically reduced population - weighing the value of scientists and musicians against that of politicians, for example - a prospect that does not look at all easy from here.

What room for Sue Blackmore then? :boggled:
 
What room for Sue Blackmore then? :boggled:
I can't say much about this, but I quite liked her book The Meme Machine. I haven't read the full article, but the bit quoted in Jimbo's post doesn't sound patently absurd, even if it is disturbing and perhaps a bit of an overreaction.
 
Quite right. What use is a parapsychologist?

Here is one reaction:
As far as I am concerned, Susan Blackmore's Guardian comment is by far the worst piece of eco-fascism I have read in years. Blackmore, a consulting editor of the Skeptical Inquirer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Blackmore) develops a programme of British nationalism that is set apart by a deplorable lack of human compassion and borders on genocidal hallucination. That her programme is couched in Darwinian terminology only serves to show that social Darwinism has become acceptable once again among Britain's left-wing media and leading academics. Blackmore's ethnocentric contempt for the rest of humanity stands out for its brutishness and sharply contrasts with the universal and sanguine vision of the Cornwall Declaration. You don't have to be religious to recognise which of the two approaches to the environmental challenges of the 21st century is the more liberal, the more compassionate and the more pragmatic.
 
The 'archbishop' link from the webpage takes you to a site which says...

Rowan Williams
Archbishop of Cantebury
Click anywhere to enter.


Just thought you'd like to know..
 
Is that article for real? Did she really say:

No.

If we save our own nation by protecting our borders and doing our utmost to feed and protect our own citizens then we will have to watch the suffering of the billions dying elsewhere. If we make this choice we will have to be steadfast about it and there will doubtless be many Britons who will rebel against acting so selfishly. But we probably could survive.

If we take the unselfish route and try to save everyone the outcome is likely to be horrific conflict in the fight over resources, and continuing devastation of the planet until most, or all, of humanity is dead.

If we decide to put the planet first, then we ourselves are the pathogen. So we should let as many people die as possible, so that other species may live, and accept the destruction of civilisation and of everything we have achieved.

Finally, we might decide that civilisation itself is worth preserving. In that case we have to work out what to save and which people would be needed in a drastically reduced population - weighing the value of scientists and musicians against that of politicians, for example - a prospect that does not look at all easy from here.

Indeed none of these choices looks easy, but if we fail to make any decisions then I believe the most likely outcome is that we in the rich west will go on trying to salve our consciences by giving aid to the poorer parts of the world until we realise, far too late, that Gaia is going to chuck us all off whatever we do, and nothing can be saved at all.

She lists the options (as she sees them), and explains the consequences. But I don't see anything about her choosing any of the options.
 
Is that article for real? Did she really say:

Something doesn't seem right.

A review:

http://dailyablution.blogs.com/the_daily_ablution/2006/03/uk_response_to_.html

And another interesting article by her:

http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/journalism/telegraphdrugs.htm

~~ Paul

She says

If we decide to put the planet first, then we ourselves are the pathogen. So we should let as many people die as possible,

She's presenting one possible decision and examining it's consequences, not necessarily advocating it.

She examines four possible approaches - "the selfish route", " the unselfish route", " the planet first" and " the save civilisation", but doesn't advocate any one in particular.
 
Is that article for real? Did she really say:

Something doesn't seem right.

A review:

http://dailyablution.blogs.com/the_daily_ablution/2006/03/uk_response_to_.html

And another interesting article by her:

http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/journalism/telegraphdrugs.htm

~~ Paul


She's definitely had a bong hit too many when she wrote those articles.

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At least she's kept her feet on the ground.......
 
She's staking out four possible responses to a global environmental catastrophe. None of them are pleasant, which is fairly the point.

So let's say things progress exactly how she says they will, and you were in charge: how would you respond? What is the fifth path?
 
She's staking out four possible responses to a global environmental catastrophe. None of them are pleasant, which is fairly the point.

So let's say things progress exactly how she says they will, and you were in charge: how would you respond? What is the fifth path?

:jaw-dropp
 
She's presenting one possible decision and examining it's consequences, not necessarily advocating it.

She examines four possible approaches - "the selfish route", " the unselfish route", " the planet first" and " the save civilisation", but doesn't advocate any one in particular.
Beat you to it. Neener, neener.... :p
 
She's definitely had a bong hit too many when she wrote those articles.

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At least she's kept her feet on the ground.......
Hmmm...could you explain the "eco-fascism" and "social darwinism" part, instead of making jokes about her physical presence and imagined smoking habits?
 
Well, the apologists are at it again. It is clear that the OP is removing comments from context, and that the OP is doing a hit-job on Blackmore.

Why is there so much resistance to dealing with the fact that the climate is changing, never mind the reason, and we'd better cope.

Does somebody own a bunch of artic tundra waiting to be turned into fertile farmland or something? Sheesh!
 
Hmmm...could you explain the "eco-fascism" and "social darwinism" part, instead of making jokes about her physical presence and imagined smoking habits?

Which imagined smoking habits?

Did you read her own words on her smoking habits?

I'm sorry Claus, I don't entertain replying to obtuse comments such as "How so?" and I'm not going to be queried as if I were a child. Why not look up what "social darwinism" means and see whether it fits the description?

It's no use people on this board defending the ludicrous on the grounds that she's supposed to be a skeptic on things paranormal. She may well be, and I've read some very interesting articles by her on the subject. But this is about rampant eco-apocalyptism and a willingness to consider nothing else but allowing billions to starve in order to preserve a select few (social darwinism) or allowing all of us to revert to the Stone Age (what a fun time that was and clearly will be again) or if we don't choose those then all of us will die as the Earth turns against us (how exactly?)

What sort of lunatic crap is that?
 
Well, the apologists are at it again. It is clear that the OP is removing comments from context, and that the OP is doing a hit-job on Blackmore.

How did I remove comments from context? I'm not allowed to quote the entire article and you know that.

Tell me how I misrepresented dear Sue.
 
Which imagined smoking habits?

Did you read her own words on her smoking habits?

No, I didn't. Thank you for enlightening me. Like the skeptic I am, I accept the evidence. She's not making the right choice here.

I'm sorry Claus, I don't entertain replying to obtuse comments such as "How so?" and I'm not going to be queried as if I were a child. Why not look up what "social darwinism" means and see whether it fits the description?

It's no use people on this board defending the ludicrous on the grounds that she's supposed to be a skeptic on things paranormal. She may well be, and I've read some very interesting articles by her on the subject. But this is about rampant eco-apocalyptism and a willingness to consider nothing else but allowing billions to starve in order to preserve a select few (social darwinism) or allowing all of us to revert to the Stone Age (what a fun time that was and clearly will be again) or if we don't choose those then all of us will die as the Earth turns against us (how exactly?)

What sort of lunatic crap is that?

I'm sorry too, because you should know that I don't fall for this kind of arm flailing. I asked you a question, and I expect you to answer it:

How is Susan Blackmore promoting eco-fascism and social darwinism?

If you are half as much a skeptic as I am, you will provide evidence of your claims.

How did I remove comments from context? I'm not allowed to quote the entire article and you know that.

Tell me how I misrepresented dear Sue.

No. You present evidence that she is promoting eco-fascism and social darwinism.

The onus is on you, buddy.
 

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