Split Thread Student Loan Forgiveness: 2016 Candidates

[Nihilianth]

Jill Stein (the likely Green Party candidate for 2016) says that she'll forgive all student loan debts if elected.

I'm a liberal Democrat with Green Party sympathies. I was thinking of voting for Hilary in the Democratic primary at first, but leaning towards Sanders more and more. Hilary is too conservative, too pro-business, and has far too much baggage.

This Jill Stein looks very enticing. Unfortunately, realistically, she has zero chance of becoming the next president. If the Green Party can seriously stand her up there toe-to-toe with Hilary or Sanders and one of the 15 crazy Republicans after the primaries and in on the debates, I would definitely vote on her. Just need to get her some very significant national coverage.

A candidate that cares about the environment, AND will fight for student loan forgiveness? That's a dream I would relish should it become reality.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

This Jill Stein looks very enticing. Unfortunately, realistically, she has zero chance of becoming the next president. If the Green Party can seriously stand her up there toe-to-toe with Hilary or Sanders and one of the 15 crazy Republicans after the primaries and in on the debates, I would definitely vote on her. Just need to get her some very significant national coverage.

This, IMO, is why our "democracy" is so screwed up. Most voters will agree that it's a problem, but most of them don't think that there's a way to fix it. Most other democracies don't really have this problem like we do. It's an issue with the way our voting system and government is set up. This was noted in the middle of the last century by French sociologist Maurice Duverger, who noted that "first past the post" voting tends to create a two-party system.

Personally, I don't buy into all of the Democratic Party propaganda about "strategic voting" because it all boils down to "voting for the lesser of two evils" which is just plain cynical and fear-based. The way democracy is supposed to work is that you vote for the candidate who best represents your interests. If people don't vote this way, then democracy falls apart, and you get presidents like Bush. Our failure to get Nader elected has had huge repercussions. We simply can't afford to make that same mistake too many times. I, myself, have had to suffer the privations of the recession, and it has had a huge effect on the quality of my life for the last decade. I can at least take cold comfort in the fact that I did my best to get Nader elected, but most of the rest of the left turned their backs on him, and we have had to live with the consequences of that.

 

[fuelair]

I'm a liberal Democrat with Green Party sympathies. I was thinking of voting for Hilary in the Democratic primary at first, but leaning towards Sanders more and more. Hilary is too conservative, too pro-business, and has far too much baggage.

This Jill Stein looks very enticing. Unfortunately, realistically, she has zero chance of becoming the next president. If the Green Party can seriously stand her up there toe-to-toe with Hilary or Sanders and one of the 15 crazy Republicans after the primaries and in on the debates, I would definitely vote on her. Just need to get her some very significant national coverage.

A candidate that cares about the environment, AND will fight for student loan forgiveness? That's a dream I would relish should it become reality.

This is why I am very concerned about the possibility of a Democratic vote split that allows a republicker slime to win again. Of course I will be very happy if a major split happens with the republicker mad rush to be ass wiper for the Kochs and related.

 

[Nihilianth]

This, IMO, is why our "democracy" is so screwed up. Most voters will agree that it's a problem, but most of them don't think that there's a way to fix it. Most other democracies don't really have this problem like we do. It's an issue with the way our voting system and government is set up. This was noted in the middle of the last century by French sociologist Maurice Duverger, who noted that "first past the post" voting tends to create a two-party system.

Personally, I don't buy into all of the Democratic Party propaganda about "strategic voting" because it all boils down to "voting for the lesser of two evils" which is just plain cynical and fear-based. The way democracy is supposed to work is that you vote for the candidate who best represents your interests. If people don't vote this way, then democracy falls apart, and you get presidents like Bush. Our failure to get Nader elected has had huge repercussions. We simply can't afford to make that same mistake too many times. I, myself, have had to suffer the privations of the recession, and it has had a huge effect on the quality of my life for the last decade. I can at least take cold comfort in the fact that I did my best to get Nader elected, but most of the rest of the left turned their backs on him, and we have had to live with the consequences of that.

I agree, first past the post is ideal. Cpg grey is one of my favorite youtube uploader. Hes the first to bring my attention to that particular voting system. Only thing I worry about, is too many parties. Thats what caused the weimar republic to fail in the thirties. Too unstable, woth too many interest groups.

 

[daenku32]

I'm a liberal Democrat with Green Party sympathies. I was thinking of voting for Hilary in the Democratic primary at first, but leaning towards Sanders more and more. Hilary is too conservative, too pro-business, and has far too much baggage.

This Jill Stein looks very enticing. Unfortunately, realistically, she has zero chance of becoming the next president. If the Green Party can seriously stand her up there toe-to-toe with Hilary or Sanders and one of the 15 crazy Republicans after the primaries and in on the debates, I would definitely vote on her. Just need to get her some very significant national coverage.

A candidate that cares about the environment, AND will fight for student loan forgiveness? That's a dream I would relish should it become reality.

I'll pick whomever I want in the Primary regardless of their chances, but in the General Election, it's Anyone-But-A-Republican for me. Two-party system. Live with it or don't partake.

 

[BobTheCoward]

I'll pick whomever I want in the Primary regardless of their chances, but in the General Election, it's Anyone-But-A-Republican for me. Two-party system. Live with it or don't partake.

So...you are saying choose to vote or choose not to vote? I can live with that choice.

 

[Nihilianth]

So...you are saying choose to vote or choose not to vote? I can live with that choice.

If you choose not to decide, you have still have made.a.choice

If you adamantly oppose the gop, you should not vote third party. Unfortunately, the minor parties are liberal, so conservatives will pour all their votes into the gop.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

Two-party system. Live with it or don't partake.

Nope. You don't get to tell me who I can vote for. Not you, not the Democratic Party. I make that choice. I can vote for the Green Party, the Libertarian Party, the Rent Is Too Damn High Party, or the UFO Party.

If the Democrats want my vote, they're going to have to earn it, not scare me into voting for them. They can do something very simple: adopt the Green Party's platform. Be better at being the Green Party than the Green Party is.

 

[Nihilianth]

Except that the democrats frequently do take the green party platform. Only usa republicans oppose climate legislation. And more recently, democrats are taking on student loan forgiveness. I urge you to vote democrat, because of the vote split the green party represents. That is not a scare tactic. That is simple math.