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StopSylvia email: "Sylvia"

RSLancastr

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I received the following email at StopSylvia.com, with the subject "Sylvia":

Sir,

I have been reading your site for a number of years. I have commented a few times, knowing a little more about some situations than you do.


I have read a good number of Sylvia Browne's books. I find them interesting. She can call it "Gnosticism" if she wants as these days Gnosticism is a catch-all religious term for anything that is not orthodoxy. Fact is her "philosophy" is classic Spiritualism.


I cannot speak to the deceased Ms. Browne's clairvoyance but I do believe that some clairvoyance does exist, though not in the quantity a lot of people think it does.I do not think she was very good at it from what I have read.



I wonder why it is you do what you do. Earlier in my life,before I became a Christian (not anymore) I used to be a "skeptic" and I associated with many skeptics. What I eventually found out was that even though skeptics think they know everything, they really just know what they don't know (and can't prove) and usually do not take any steps to find out. Now, I have more respect for someone who will take a stand on one belief or another rather than just criticize everyone who does.


I notice you have taken after this woman with a vengeance and yet I never see you taking after, say, the Christian religion. Where is your "Stop Jesus Christ" site. Where is your "Stop the Rabbis" site or your "Stop the Imams" site. And I am willing to bet you hold in contempt holocaust skeptics and global warming skeptics. Should we all be skeptical only about the things you are skeptical about? Perhaps I am mistaken. I don't think so.


But the real question is:who are you to take away people's comfort? Who hired you to do this? Who appointed you chief truth speaker? Was it an elected position or an appointed one?Or perhaps it is an anointed one? Were you anointed by some higher power to destroy people's faith in...whatever.


I used to be a devout, Bible thumping Christian, for thirty-five years I believed the Bible was the inerrant word of the Jewish god. When I discovered my beliefs were wrong, although tempted, I did not go around telling all my Christian friends all the myriad of reasons that their belief was false and ply them with proofs that they were false beliefs. Yes, I actually have positive proofs, all you have is negative proofs. All you can talk about is what you don't know, not what you do know, at least when it comes to the deceased Sylvia Browne.


Is it the money issue? Believe me, sir, I put more money into the tithing plate in the churches I was in than anyone will ever spend on Sylvia Browne in ten lifetimes.


I do not know if Sylvia Browne had psychic ability or not but I have known several who do and who have proven it. Scientists (and James Randi) demand 100% accuracy and if you fail once then they call your claim falsified. There are things you cannot do that with and things of the mind and spirit are two of those. Do you know any psychiatrist who can predict with 100% accuracy what his schizophrenic patient will do or hear next. Of course you don't. They can't. Does that make the person any less schizophrenic or the psychiatrist any less a psychiatrist.I had a psychiatrist almost misdiagnose someone I love and almost put her on some very dangerous medicines. He was dead wrong on his diagnosis. He failed! Does that make him not a psychiatrist. Sometimes we see as through a glass darkly, sir. You can document Ms. Browne's failures, easy enough to do. Have you checked to see if there were successes? You did allow people to write of their support for her but only so that they themselves could be held up to ridicule.


Regardless of her ability or lack thereof, Ms. Browne wrote a wonderful series of books, explaining in laymen's terms, the tenets of Spiritualism and Spiritism. Whether her guide, Francine, was real or not, is irrelevant, just as whether Jesus of Nazareth was real or not does not lessen the value of the lessons contained in the Gospel myths. She gave a great many people comfort, people who can find comfort nowhere else, in a country where only the material matters, amongst a people who have decided that if they can't touch, see, smell, hear, or taste it, it does not exist. Yet, I bet you believe in quarks and black holes, right? String theory?


Everyone is entitled to their opinion in America. That does not mean everyone has a right to steal people's beliefs or their world view.


The longer your site was up, the more hatred I detected, to the point where you used Novus people who had a personal problem with Sylvia to destroy the now deceased author. It is bad enough to hate, but when you let others join their hate to yours, then we are sinking into a special kind of abyss.


Well, she is dead now.She has gone to her much awaited "other side." There are a ton of other self acclaimed psychics out there. I will be interested to see if you go after them, or if you go after the Pope, or Franklin Graham, or Islam or the Jewish book of myths known as the Tanakh, which this nation actually bases foreign policy on,...now that would be interesting to see you spend your skeptical dollars on that.


That said, I hope you recover from what ails you. I bear you no malice. People like you just confuse me. And every time I feel I need to go degrade other people's belief systems with all my wonderful knowledge, I just remind myself that no-one appointed me the messiah.


Sincerely
[name]

former Christian and former skeptic

Here is my reply:

Mr. [lastname]:

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me.

I will address some of your points below.

You say that you have been reading my site for a number of years, but you have apparently no read the site's FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page, as it answers some of your questions:

http://www.stopsylvia.com/faq/

You ask when I will create sites about the Pope, or Rabbis, or Imams.

From my site's FAQ Page:
Q: Aren't there more important issues?
A: Certainly. World hunger, the environment, the economy, finding cures for cancer, AIDS and many other diseases... the list goes on and on.
But I think you'll find that there are already many web sites out there devoted to those issues. This was an issue which had not been aggressively addressed, and I decided to fill that void.
We all "pick our battles." If you wish to put together a web site on what you feel is a more important topic, I would encourage you to do so. But I think we fight best on behalf of causes for which we feel a passion. And making the evidence about Sylvia Browne available to those who need it is a cause for which I feel very passionately indeed.

You ask if/when I will be creating web sites for other psychics.

Well, I had registered the domain names StopJohnEdward.com and StopJamesVanPraagh.com, and spent a few months on VanPraagh's web site doing research, but other priorities(such as my health) kept those projects from getting off the ground, just as they have prevented me from expanding StopSylvia for a few years now.

Also from the FAQ Page:

Q: Why Sylvia Browne instead of some other psychic?
A: Because examining the claims of a well-known psychic will help far more people than say, examining the claims of my neighborhood palm-reader.
Also, due to her books and her many television appearances, there is a wealth of material to use when researching her claims.
Finally, I found her work with missing children to be incredibly offensive. That was the last straw which made me choose her as the focus of this site.

...and:

Q: What about (some other psychic)?
I am asked this often, about various psychics, such as John Edward, Lisa Williams and others.
A: Again, I have seen no convincing proof of anyone having psychic abilities.
But here is a further comment, regarding TV/Celebrity psychics in general: It is important to remember that the producers of a TV show which claims to be about a "true psychic" have a financial interest in making you believe that person is psychic. Because of this, you should never assume that what you see on the show is an accurate and unbiased representation of facts and events.

And, your comment that James Randi insists on 100% accuracy from a purported psychic is flat out wrong. But he DOES insist that they - or anyone with a claim of "paranormal abilities" of ANY kind - demonstrate that ability in a way which would, statistically, rule out simple chance. And, in the case of someone taking his "Million Dollar Challenge", both he and the claimant must both agree, in writing, to what would constitute a successful percentage.

Best regards,

Robert S. Lancaster

Founder & webmaster,
www.StopSylvia.com

If I receive a reply - and I would imagine that I will - I will post it here.
 
Robert, now that "Claws" is removed from this world, and proved to be an unmitigated fraud, (thanks to you, and the old conjurer) why do you still get messages like this?!
 
I apologize, I meant to emphasize your involvement in bringing down that hag.
 
Robert, now that "Claws" is removed from this world, and proved to be an unmitigated fraud, (thanks to you, and the old conjurer) why do you still get messages like this?!


Probably for the same or similar reasons why I got messages like this before.

I apologize, I meant to emphasize your involvement in bringing down that hag.


Wasn't that a Talking Heads song?
 
Regarding this statement:
Is it the money issue? Believe me, sir, I put more money into the tithing plate in the churches I was in than anyone will ever spend on Sylvia Browne in ten lifetimes.

I'm pretty sure Sylvia was worth millions at one time. Does that mean this guy put tens of millions into collection plates?
 
Robert, the only other thing I think you should have disputed in your reply was his/her claim that your site contains hatred, which is entirely false. His/her implication that you degrade other people's beliefs is also misguided. This person seems to have somewhat of a problem with perception in that he/she takes your careful, methodical, and neutral analysis of Browne's claims and statements as hatred and your choosing to expose a fraud as degrading someone's beliefs. So this person was a skeptic, then a devout Christian and is now neither of those things? Sounds like someone with a very undeveloped or amorphous worldview.
 
I think that I've been on here for almost a dècade now. And, back then, there were scores of parasites loose on the world via T.V..
I'd spend my off afternoons in a local bar, watching Jeopardy with the owner who directly afterwards changed channels to watch Edwards. If I didn't immediately excuse myself to leave, every once in a while, some of the other villagers would ask me why I despised that particular show as much as I did. I told them that Edwards was a fraud, and a parasite, and I simply could not stay if they wanted to watch him.
I'd rather watch old re-runs of "Little House on the Prairie". (vomit...)
And then, one afternoon, one of the villagers (I'm fairly certain it was the adult daughter of the bar owner) asked me how I knew that Edwards was a fraud.
So I began to explain to her all I knew about 'cold' and 'hot' reading, and I even told her about a link I could send her of a video that had Edwards shooting out múltiple missed strands in several of his readings.
That was the day (if I remember correctly...)that I told you that I'd be happy enough to simply gather wood for Sylvia's pyre.
Awesome work you've done!
 
There is so much wrong with that person's email, I wouldn't even know where to start.
 
Isn't it funny that so many psychic believers seem to accept that there are large numbers of frauds in the field, but that they know who the real ones are?
Strange that they can never seem to come to some sort of agreement on just who is or isn't a true medium.

I hope that this guy is going to follow up your correction on his incorrect belief about the paranormal challenge, as he might learn something.
I'd be interested on seeing who he thinks would pass, too.
 
I think that I've been on here for almost a dècade now. And, back then, there were scores of parasites loose on the world via T.V..


I joined here in September of 2001. I dunno about "scores", but both Edward and VanPraagh had daytime shows on network television, and Browne was on Montel Williams had Browne on once every week ("Sylvia Browne Wednesdays" - Urk...)

Awesome work you've done!


Thanks, but I had a lot of help!

There is so much wrong with that person's email, I wouldn't even know where to start.


I know, I just settled for addressing what could be answered by quoting the FAQ, plus I couldn't let the dig at Randi go unanswered.

Isn't it funny that so many psychic believers seem to accept that there are large numbers of frauds in the field, but that they know who the real ones are?
Strange that they can never seem to come to some sort of agreement on just who is or isn't a true medium.


When pushed on that point, most seem to say that it's some person they know personally, if not they themselves, rather than one of the big names in the trade.
 
I joined here in September of 2001. I dunno about "scores", but both Edward and VanPraagh had daytime shows on network television, and Browne was on Montel Williams had Browne on once every week ("Sylvia Browne Wednesdays" - Urk...)




Thanks, but I had a lot of help!




I know, I just settled for addressing what could be answered by quoting the FAQ, plus I couldn't let the dig at Randi go unanswered.




When pushed on that point, most seem to say that it's some person they know personally, if not they themselves, rather than one of the big names in the trade.


Do you think your StopKaz campaign was effective in stopping her?

I concur with the sentiment here that, whether it was you or circumstances, Sylvia Browne took a serious hit after the formation of StopSylvia
 
Do you think your StopKaz campaign was effective in stopping her?

Yes, I do - although part of my thinking that is probably egotistical and wishful thinking on my part.

But Kaz, as Brattus is wont to point out, was a much smaller "fish to fry" than is/was Sylvia Browne, and pages of my StopKaz site were, for quite some time, the only pages which most search engines came up with when someone searched on most of Kaz's supposed names, which led anyone looking online for info on her straight to StopKaz - which had to have put a crimp in Kaz's style, I'd think.

I concur with the sentiment here that, whether it was you or circumstances, Sylvia Browne took a serious hit after the formation of StopSylvia


Again, egotistical/wishful thinking on my part tells me that StopSylvia played a large role in what appeared to be a decline in her popularity starting at about the same time as StopSylvia was created, but it is impossible to say with any certainty how much (if any) of a role StopSylvia actually played in that. (Brattus maintained that her decline in popularity was simply the natural downward arc of her career, brought about, in large part, by her declining health and advancing age.

We'll most likely never know.
 
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Robert, if even half the big-name skeptics had your patience then no fraud would have a chance. Personally I would have told the author of the letter to go circumcise himself with a chainsaw. His snarky attitude displays everything he is accusing you of. He appears to be the type who believes that if he doesn't know how to do something then no one else could possibly know either.
 
Yes, I do - although part of my thinking that is probably egotistical and wishful thinking on my part.

But Kaz, as Brattus is wont to point out, was a much smaller "fish to fry" than is/was Sylvia Browne, and pages of my StopKaz site were, for quite some time, the only pages which most search engines came up with when someone searched on most of Kaz's supposed names, which led anyone looking online for info on her straight to StopKaz - which had to have put a crimp in Kaz's style, I'd think.




Again, egotistical/wishful thinking on my part tells me that StopSylvia played a large role in what appeared to be a decline in her popularity starting at about the same time as StopSylvia was created, but it is impossible to say with any certainty how much (if any) of a role StopSylvia actually played in that. (Brattus maintained that her decline in popularity was simply the natural downward arc of her career, brought about, in large part, by her declining health and advancing age.

We'll most likely never know.

I have always found it strange that for being such a smart man you never understood anything I typed although it was always written in a easy to read straight forward manner.

I will give it one last try.

I found StopKaz to be a brilliant web site. It was said no one could sit at home and type on their keyboard to change the world but StopKaz proved that wrong.
Her claims of being a 911 survivor needed to be slapped down and you did just that in a very balanced and well written way.

StopSylvia on the other hand was a waste of time from word go.
A balanced and very well written waste of time but a waste of time nonetheless.

You started Stopkaz because her lies entered your world through your Mother.
You wanted to hopefully stop Kaz from spreading her highly offensive lies to others that shared your Mothers big heart.

You started StopSylvia because the chuckleheads on this forum went into overtime stroking your ego to start another stop something site after reading StopKaz.
You can read the archives of this forum and watch StopSylvia come to life.

Sylvia Browne was on a major network TV show at that time. She was already way to big for you or anyone else to stop or even slow down.

Her career went into decline because she was no longer on TV.

It's not your fault Robert. You were trying to do the right thing. A big E for effort. But not even Sylvia herself could stop or slow down her believers.
Once someone is on TV that is it. The sheeple will follow.

Sylvia was rude, short and condescending to her customers and they kept coming back for more.

Sylvia is stopped because Sylvia is dead.
You wrote a web site about that now dead person.
Start and end of the whole story. nothing more.
Next.
 
I don't dispute that Montel going off the air probably had a major impact on her career. I also agree that in the next several years, age may have had something to do with it too. But, as I have said repeatedly, people in the office said that Sylvia herself was convinced that you had an impact on her waning popularity and loss of business, so she perceived it that way herself, and that is a fact.
 
I have said the above repeatedly. I take the time to re-state it once again because I believe wholeheartedly that any skeptic who has the time, talent and inclination to do his or her own version of a StopKaz or StopSylvia site should be encouraged by the results obtained by these two sites.

The StopSite format works. We need more of them.
 

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