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Something good about Iran?

Matteo Martini

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I just found this interesting article, about the representation ( and discrimination ) of women in the world academic environment.
What is written, is quite surprising ( at least for me ):

Some trends are surprising: In Scandinavian countries, where women have made deep inroads in politics and other fields, few women pursue physics. The delegation from Iran reported the highest level of women undergraduate physics majors: 56%. Japan, South Korea, the Netherlands, Germany, and Switzerland award among the lowest proportions of physics PhDs (8-10%) to women, while Australia, France, India, and Poland award the highest proportions (20-30%).
http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-55/iss-5/p24.html

Usually, I have come to think about Iran as a strongly sexist nation ( yeah, me too, I thought that ), but, this article seems to reveal quite the opposite
 
Something good about Iran?
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huh?

I don't think anyone believes Iran to be a gasping desert of hopelessness. Considering the amount of art it has given the world in the last two decades, there is a lot to be positive about when thinking of that place. The numbers of those going to university is increasing in many other African nations with harsh laws towards the female.

It just seems people's main gripe is with the leaders and rulers, their attitute and treatment of liberalism at home, and its policy towards its neighbours.
 
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Iran is full of a lot of conflicts. Many don't believe in theocracy and believe that the Iranian rulers are doing them a great disservice. They are far from a ignorant people, and education is quite celebrated. It's been argued a great deal in the past that rather than isolating Iran and nominating them to be some great force of evil that the percentage of the population opposed to the present reguimes should be encouraged and supported.

Athon
 
The crackdown on dress codes recently is rather disturbing.

I agree that Iran is a tale of conflict and contradiction. Many Iranians would like more freedom. Many are scared of change.

I agee with athon, Iran has valued education and I think Iran is quite capable of being a powerhouse for progress.
 
Physics majors?

That's the trouble with women these days; they ALL wanna be nuclear scientists.
 
RandFan said:
The crackdown on dress codes recently is rather disturbing.

I agree that Iran is a tale of conflict and contradiction. Many Iranians would like more freedom. Many are scared of change.

I agee with athon, Iran has valued education and I think Iran is quite capable of being a powerhouse for progress.
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It is disturbing..
But, they did not kill anyone, right?
You do not nuke a country, because the leaders impose strict dress code, right?
 
I think that if we just left Iran alone, it would be best.

I think that outside pressure to change may actually be counterproductive.

However, this 56% figure, is there any reason to believe that it is true? A skeptics rule of thumb: if something sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't true, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
 
Puppycow said:
However, this 56% figure, is there any reason to believe that it is true? A skeptics rule of thumb: if something sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't true, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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Iranian women are more educated and more progressive. University students, at least 65 percent are women, undergraduates. In many government offices you see a lot more women at the lower ranks than men, and those women will eventually become managers and then they will shape the future.

http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2007/08/10/06

Colleges and universities are also free, but space is limited and admission is very competitive. Even so, some 60-65 percent of college undergraduates are women

http://richmond.indymedia.org/newswire/display/13170/index.php

But, maybe, they all quoted the same source..
 
Matteo Martini said:
Iranian women are more educated and more progressive. University students, at least 65 percent are women, undergraduates. In many government offices you see a lot more women at the lower ranks than men, and those women will eventually become managers and then they will shape the future.

http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2007/08/10/06

Colleges and universities are also free, but space is limited and admission is very competitive. Even so, some 60-65 percent of college undergraduates are women

http://richmond.indymedia.org/newswire/display/13170/index.php

But, maybe, they all quoted the same source..
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Perhaps, but both articles only cite claims which might simply be hearsay or propaganda.

If this is true, I wonder why so few men go to college? Are they counting all institutions of higher learning, or only a subset of colleges? Perhaps some colleges only accept men, and these were excluded from the population?
 
Matteo Martini said:
It is disturbing..
But, they did not kill anyone, right?
You do not nuke a country, because the leaders impose strict dress code, right?
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Did I say we should nuke a country because the leaders impose strict dress codes?
 
Puppycow said:
Perhaps, but both articles only cite claims which might simply be hearsay or propaganda.
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That is a possibility.

Puppycow said:
If this is true, I wonder why so few men go to college? Are they counting all institutions of higher learning, or only a subset of colleges? Perhaps some colleges only accept men, and these were excluded from the population?
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Yes, I find it quite stange too.
I would find strange if they wrote that women were 30%.
Now, if they say 56%, 60% or 65%, I find it very very strange.
Still the site http://www.physicstoday.org seems reliable.
Mm..
 
Matteo Martini said:
Still the site http://www.physicstoday.org seems reliable.
Mm..
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I'm sure it is, but that in itself doesn't lend credibility to the claim:
The delegation from Iran reported the highest level of women undergraduate physics majors: 56%.
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The site is only claiming that "The delegation from Iran reported" that 56% of undergraduate physics majors are women. Again, I wonder if this includes all institutions that teach physics or only co-educational ones, or why the number should be so high. Also, what is the total number, I wonder, and what sort of programs are these? Is it comparable to undergraduate physics majors in the west? I just don't know, and it seems curious to me, as it does to you.
 
Ah, Iran. Where women are free to pursue physics, but not other women. That gets them brutally executed.

Which means they're playing with fire, there. One day an Iranian repressed lesbian physicist might decide to enlighten her country. In the special way that nuclear physics makes possible.
 
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