Social Justice Warriors hack Klan Twitter account

[ChristianProgressive]

There is a diary on Kos about Anonymous seizing control of the KKK's Twitter Accounts.

I have no brief with the Klan. They're a bunch of racist thugs. No doubt about that.

But this fits into a trend that I've been noticing for some time now. It is becoming standard practice for a group with an agenda to not just argue against those who don't toe the line sufficiently regarding the agenda, but to attempt to destroy them in real-life terms by doxxing, by harassment/threats, by trying to get people fired from their real-world jobs, etc.

I find this trend very troubling in general, but especially so coming from the Fringe Left. One of the primary values of the Left (or so I have been told) is freedom, especially freedom of speech (by extension of ideas).

Groups like Anonymous would pitch a fit if they were doxxed, or someone tried to get them fired, or if they got threats...why are they doing the same thing to people they don't like?

It's wrong. It should be absolutely and universally condemned.

 

[Foolmewunz]

You're right. It's absolutely wrong. As an old-line respecter of law and order, I have to agree with you. Oh, except that I'm a hard line believer in civil disobedience and standing up to bigots, miscreants, misanthropes and liars who defend a lying version of history and promote hate and bigotry.

So, shame on you Anonymous. I hope you're prepared to pay the dime/do the time, 'cuz you did the crime. I know I'd be willing to serve for you if you're nailed, and only wish I'd been there to help.

 

[Spindrift]

I'm not in favor of doing things like this but I imagine it wasn't too hard. The password was probably something like h1tlerisgr8.

 

[Coffee]

There is a diary on Kos about Anonymous seizing control of the KKK's Twitter Accounts.

I have no brief with the Klan. They're a bunch of racist thugs. No doubt about that.

But this fits into a trend that I've been noticing for some time now. It is becoming standard practice for a group with an agenda to not just argue against those who don't toe the line sufficiently regarding the agenda, but to attempt to destroy them in real-life terms by doxxing, by harassment/threats, by trying to get people fired from their real-world jobs, etc.

I find this trend very troubling in general, but especially so coming from the Fringe Left. One of the primary values of the Left (or so I have been told) is freedom, especially freedom of speech (by extension of ideas).

Groups like Anonymous would pitch a fit if they were doxxed, or someone tried to get them fired, or if they got threats...why are they doing the same thing to people they don't like?

It's wrong. It should be absolutely and universally condemned.

Haven't you heard? There's a culture war going on. All is fair in love and war.

 

[ChristianProgressive]

You're right. It's absolutely wrong. As an old-line respecter of law and order, I have to agree with you. Oh, except that I'm a hard line believer in civil disobedience and standing up to bigots, miscreants, misanthropes and liars who defend a lying version of history and promote hate and bigotry.

So, shame on you Anonymous. I hope you're prepared to pay the dime/do the time, 'cuz you did the crime. I know I'd be willing to serve for you if you're nailed, and only wish I'd been there to help.

So, there are some thoughts that are so inappropriate that those holding them should LITERALLY be exposed to real-life danger of life, property, or livlihood just for holding them?

What happens when "the worm turns" and it's YOUR beliefs that are considered to be such?

Your argument only works when you are on the "winning" side.

 

[Unabogie]

There is a diary on Kos about Anonymous seizing control of the KKK's Twitter Accounts.

I have no brief with the Klan. They're a bunch of racist thugs. No doubt about that.

But this fits into a trend that I've been noticing for some time now. It is becoming standard practice for a group with an agenda to not just argue against those who don't toe the line sufficiently regarding the agenda, but to attempt to destroy them in real-life terms by doxxing, by harassment/threats, by trying to get people fired from their real-world jobs, etc.

I find this trend very troubling in general, but especially so coming from the Fringe Left. One of the primary values of the Left (or so I have been told) is freedom, especially freedom of speech (by extension of ideas).

Groups like Anonymous would pitch a fit if they were doxxed, or someone tried to get them fired, or if they got threats...why are they doing the same thing to people they don't like?

It's wrong. It should be absolutely and universally condemned.

In fairness, Anonymous said that while they agree with you in principle, in this case the Klan was threatening to kill people for expressing their OWN beliefs which differ from the Klan. In response to this threat, they exposed the Klansmen. They also claim that at least two of the Klansmen on the list are current/former cops. I'm not saying you're completely wrong, but does it change the equation when the victims of the Doxxing were using their anonymity to threaten innocent people with physical violence?

 

[Unabogie]

Oh, and welcome to the ISF!!!

 

[ChristianProgressive]

Thanks. I see your point, and I'll try answering it like this:

My handle reflects my moral and social politics. I am a Christian and a Progressive (and, yes, we do exist). I have, at times, caught this sort of heat from BOTH extremes.

I've seen it said that "Communists" like me should be round up and shot because we advocate for a Living Wage. I've also seen it advocated that churches should be targeted for not allowing wedding ceremonies to be performed on their premises that are antithetical to their religious beliefs.

In both cases, the call was made for "outing" real identities so that they may "suffer the consequences" of their stances.

Now if you have evidence that explicitly links a specific person to a real-world criminal threat, etc, that would be one thing.

But a general "outing" of all and sundry? I think that goes to far.

 

[Ladewig]

I'm not in favor of doing things like this but I imagine it wasn't too hard. The password was probably something like h1tlerisgr8.

You know who else had passwords like hitlerisgr8 ?

 

[Belz...]

So, there are some thoughts that are so inappropriate that those holding them should LITERALLY be exposed to real-life danger of life, property, or livlihood just for holding them?

How can someone be figuratively exposed to real-life danger ?

 

[Spindrift]

You know who else had passwords like hitlerisgr8 ?

Eva Braun?

 

[Unabogie]

You know who else had passwords like hitlerisgr8 ?

Isn't that how Alan Turing cracked the Enigma?

 

[NWO Sentryman]

Isn't that how Alan Turing cracked the Enigma?

That and the Nazis didn't add their phone numbers.

 

[marplots]

I like the KKK. They represent one of the few useful stereotypes still available. They is what they is and no mistaking them for something else.

 

[Ladewig]

So, there are some thoughts that are so inappropriate that those holding them should LITERALLY be exposed to real-life danger of life, property, or livlihood just for holding them?
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If someone is anonymously advocating that innocent people with certain characteristics be exposed to danger of life, property, or livelihood (as the KKK does), then I have no problem with someone else turning those anonymous threats into identifiable threats. For me, That's the line for determining who gets outed and who doesn't. If someone wants to advocate race wars, then let them stand up and be counted. If someone wants to round up and shoot people who advocate for more equality, then I have no trouble with outing the ones who want to kill innocent people for holding somewhat unpopular views.


I also can appreciate this perspective: if someone outed a member of Anonymous, then that outed individual would not stand up and say "waaa, no fair! You shouldn't do that to me;" that person would suck it up and deal with it.

In any case, not much can be done anyway, because no one has caught anyone in Anonymous. You can make outing people as illegal as you would like, but I doubt that would slow down Anonymous at all.

Lastly, there is no state or federal right to anonymity on the internet. In other words, you posts your messages, you takes your chances.

 

[Soapy Sam]

Thanks. I see your point, and I'll try answering it like this:

My handle reflects my moral and social politics. I am a Christian and a Progressive (and, yes, we do exist).

You might like to start a thread explaining what the words "Christian" and "Progressive" mean to you. (Apologies if you already have.)
The RC church has recently accepted Darwinism and the Big Bang. That sort of progressive?

I have, at times, caught this sort of heat from BOTH extremes.

Remember that this does not necessarily make you right. Idiots come with all manner of extreme views, but not all extreme views are idiotic.

I've seen it said that "Communists" like me should be round up and shot because we advocate for a Living Wage. I've also seen it advocated that churches should be targeted for not allowing wedding ceremonies to be performed on their premises that are antithetical to their religious beliefs.

In both cases, the call was made for "outing" real identities so that they may "suffer the consequences" of their stances.

Now if you have evidence that explicitly links a specific person to a real-world criminal threat, etc, that would be one thing.

But a general "outing" of all and sundry? I think that goes to far.

As "on duty pedant", I must chide you for writing "to", when you meant "too". You're new here, so we won't out you this time.

 

[12AX7]

There is a diary on Kos about Anonymous seizing control of the KKK's Twitter Accounts.

I have no brief with the Klan. They're a bunch of racist thugs. No doubt about that.

But this fits into a trend that I've been noticing for some time now. It is becoming standard practice for a group with an agenda to not just argue against those who don't toe the line sufficiently regarding the agenda, but to attempt to destroy them in real-life terms by doxxing, by harassment/threats, by trying to get people fired from their real-world jobs, etc.

I find this trend very troubling in general, but especially so coming from the Fringe Left. One of the primary values of the Left (or so I have been told) is freedom, especially freedom of speech (by extension of ideas).

Groups like Anonymous would pitch a fit if they were doxxed, or someone tried to get them fired, or if they got threats...why are they doing the same thing to people they don't like?

It's wrong. It should be absolutely and universally condemned.

"Freedom of speech". What do you think it means? Who do you think it protects, and from whom?

You're right. It's absolutely wrong. As an old-line respecter of law and order, I have to agree with you. Oh, except that I'm a hard line believer in civil disobedience and standing up to bigots, miscreants, misanthropes and liars who defend a lying version of history and promote hate and bigotry.

So, shame on you Anonymous. I hope you're prepared to pay the dime/do the time, 'cuz you did the crime. I know I'd be willing to serve for you if you're nailed, and only wish I'd been there to help.

This. ^^^^

My handle reflects my moral and social politics. I am a Christian...

Then I question your critical thinking abilities and rationality.

Welcome to ISF.

 

[Doghouse Reilly]

If someone is anonymously advocating that innocent people with certain characteristics be exposed to danger of life, property, or livelihood (as the KKK does)...

Can you provide a link to support your claim that the KKK does this? How would it be possible for the KKK to "anonymously" do this? If it were "anonymous", how would you know that it was the KKK?

 

[Mumbles]

Can you provide a link to support your claim that the KKK does this?

Um...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

It's kinda what they do, threatening or committing violence anonymously. It's what they were founded on, to cause terror in support of white supremacy. This is pretty basic US history.

I'm not happy about anyone being doxxed. But if you are an active member of a well-known terrorist group, such as the KKK, I can't really complain.

 

[TragicMonkey]

This will make me sound like a cantankerous old man, but Twitter? Why is that even a thing? And why does the KKK have it? Ugh. This modern world. I suppose they have Instant Gram, too, whatever the hell that is. Ubers and Tweets and Facebooks, all these apps and "social media"....whatever happened to the good old days of not announcing everything on earth to everyone on earth all the time? KKK, you disappoint me!