Snopes on this race.

BenBurch · Jun 23, 2008

corplinx · Jun 23, 2008

You managed to take a summary of the snopes stuff and turn it into a partisan attack. Good work Ben.

*Ben works for the Democratic party. So literally, good work.

T.A.M. · Jun 23, 2008

On a related note, Ben,

As Sen. Barack Obama opens his campaign as the first African American on a major party presidential ticket, nearly half of all Americans say race relations in the country are in bad shape and three in 10 acknowledge feelings of racial prejudice, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25310337/

So I don't think Obama needs to, as some have suggested, "play" the race card...It is already there.

TAM

BenBurch · Jun 23, 2008

corplinx said:
Ben works for the Democratic party. So literally, good work.

Keep repeating the lie.

corplinx · Jun 23, 2008

BenBurch said:
Keep repeating the lie.

You told me that you worked for the party. If this is not the case, I will not say so anymore.

Cicero · Jun 23, 2008

BenBurch said:
On Senator Obama;

True;

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

False;

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp#quran
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/church.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kkk.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/chavez.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/thesis.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/phone.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kenya.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/antichrist.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

Undetermined;

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/mother.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

Mixed;

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/blackwell.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/familyphoto.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/saywhat.asp

On Senator McCain;

True;

http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/cindy.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/mccainsons.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/mccain.asp

False;

none

Undetermined;

http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/gettingtoknow.asp

Mixed;

none

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I think its really telling that so many Republicans are so threatened by the thought of a black man becoming president that they make up so many lies!

And I think its equally telling that the reverse is not happening on the Democratic side; though the Democrats COULD make up believable lies and smears about Senator McCain, it is just not happening.

You mean like the New York Times February front page story about McCain's affair ( not even alleged) from a decade ago with a lobbyist that neglected to name any source or offer any corroboration?

BenBurch · Jun 23, 2008

corplinx said:
You told me that you worked for the party. If this is not the case, I will not say so anymore.

I *also* told you that I no longer am a precinct committeeman - somebody who actually has time to do the job has taken over Pct 6.

And that is a volunteer position anyway, not a job, so you are doubly wrong.

BenBurch · Jun 23, 2008

Cicero said:
You mean like the New York Times February front page story about McCain's affair ( not even alleged) from a decade ago with a lobbyist that neglected to name any source or offer any corroboration?

I was unaware that the NYT was owned by the Democratic Party. Can you cite when that sale occurred?

dirtywick · Jun 23, 2008

BenBurch said:
I think its really telling that so many Republicans are so threatened by the thought of a black man becoming president that they make up so many lies!

And I think its equally telling that the reverse is not happening on the Democratic side; though the Democrats COULD make up believable lies and smears about Senator McCain, it is just not happening.

Most of that, if not all, came out when he was running against Clinton, and many Clinton supporters used it liberally against him.

But, yeah, all Republican smear because he's black, I'm sure.

Whiplash · Jun 23, 2008

corplinx said:
You managed to take a summary of the snopes stuff and turn it into a partisan attack. Good work Ben.

QFT!

Travis · Jun 23, 2008

I'm guessing these were all started by the same people who distribute those "christian student tells off atheist professor" type urban legends.

Cicero · Jun 23, 2008

BenBurch said:
I was unaware that the NYT was owned by the Democratic Party. Can you cite when that sale occurred?

Be glad to. It happened in 1992 when Pinch Sulzberger took over for his father Punch.

MaGZ · Jun 23, 2008

The email on Obama's mom appears to have originated at Metapedia.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/mother.asp

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Ann_Dunham

Ysidro · Jun 23, 2008

MaGZ said:
The email on Obama's mom appears to have originated at Metapedia.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/mother.asp

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Ann_Dunham

Then we can be certain there are at least some lies! Thanks MaGz! I never expected you to do something so nice!

Brainster · Jun 23, 2008

All you've done here is expose Snopes' bias.

joobz · Jun 23, 2008

Brainster said:
All you've done here is expose Snopes' bias.

How so?

are you claiming that Snopes refuses to evalaute McCain smears? If you have circulating emails which smear McCain, submit them to snopes. If then they refuse to evaluate the legitimacy, then you would have a point.

corplinx · Jun 23, 2008

Yeah, that's what I am wondering. There aren't many chain-mail McCain smears I've seen. Snopes mainly deals with chain-mail type stuff.

joobz · Jun 23, 2008

corplinx said:
Yeah, that's what I am wondering. There aren't many chain-mail McCain smears I've seen. Snopes mainly deals with chain-mail type stuff.

that's been my take as well. I get a ton of crazy forwards emails from conservatives (my dad's a card carrying NRA member) and have seen multiple anti-obama ones. Unfortuantely, I do not see any crazy liberal email forwards. I'm guessing they exist, but I do not know anyone who passes them along.

Last thing I need is a bunch of PETA spams.

BenBurch · Jun 23, 2008

corplinx said:
Yeah, that's what I am wondering. There aren't many chain-mail McCain smears I've seen. Snopes mainly deals with chain-mail type stuff.

None at all and as webmaster of whiterosesociety.org, all of these eventually wind up in my inbox.

Now, this isn't because you couldn't come up with some slander on McCain if you set your mind to it. Its not hard to tell lies. But nobody has, and I think that says something.

thaiboxerken · Jun 23, 2008

corplinx said:
You managed to take a summary of the snopes stuff and turn it into a partisan attack. Good work Ben.

*Ben works for the Democratic party. So literally, good work.

An observation is not an attack.

Snopes on this race.

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