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Silly creationism arguements

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This is good for a laugh:

http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13279

Some of the people are really twisting science (as if they understand it in the first place) to "Prove" creationism.

My favorite is the poster who seems to confuse evolution with astronomy and geology.

The wackos seem to be in the majority. I hope the few with intelligence are not beaten down.
 
Hi Martha and welcome to the JREF.

You shouldn't be at all surprised to find Creationists confusing evolution with astronomy and geology. Creationists use evolution as a catch all for all aspects of science that conflict with their dogma. Thus abiogenesis, the big bang, radiometric dating techniques, the geological column, etc, are all subsumed under the heading evolution, which they believe to be conspiracy by evil atheistic scientist to mislead good Christians and make them doubt the truth of their holy book. There are a couple of regular creationist posters over on the Bad Astronomy bulletin board who even repudiate heliocentrism and claim that the Earth is the center of the universe and everything else in the cosmos spins around it. As far as I can tell, they are dead serious.

Creationists would all be simply amusing if it weren’t for the fact that they keep trying to foist this nonsense off in public schools as if it were legitimate science. As it is, they are a real threat to science education in this country.
 
hello Martha!

From the link:

"GOD said it

BANG

IT HAPPENED!!"

Damn!! guess I was wrong all this time then!


:rolleyes:
 
Martha said:
This is good for a laugh:
I thought it was my place to occassionally make a creationist argument on this board, but I can't top those guys. They're serious! I feel like the class clown who just met Chris Rock. :(
 
"Creation Scientists", as they are referred, are able to prove everything in the Bible is true! Based on not only scientific findings, but what God says in the Bible.

Notice their priorities :D
 
fidiot said:

"Creation Scientists", as they are referred, are able to prove everything in the Bible is true! Based on not only scientific findings, but what God says in the Bible.


Notice their priorities :D

Call me stupid, but isn't this circular? They are able to prove the bible is true based on what is said in the bible?

This is the variation of the "argument from the assumption that god is real." If you assume that god exists, you can make a lot of claims about the existence of god.

In this case, they are going to assume that the bible is true, and then use what's in the bible to prove that it is true.

I can't believe they can be so blatently stupid.
 
-I can't believe they can be so blatently stupid.

Aha! The old Argument from Personal Incredulity! :D
This is unacceptable as a logical debating device. I therefore accuse you of being wrong. Or right for the wrong reasons. Or right.
Whatever. One of those anyway.
It's in the Bible.
 
Soapy Sam said:
-I can't believe they can be so blatently stupid.

Aha! The old Argument from Personal Incredulity! :D
This is unacceptable as a logical debating device. I therefore accuse you of being wrong. Or right for the wrong reasons. Or right.
Whatever. One of those anyway.
It's in the Bible.

Of course, that is my argument for why they must be dishonest.

OK, I'll admit. My argument that they are dishonest is based on a faulty, "personal incredulity" argument.

I could be wrong. Maybe they just are really that stupid?
 
My favorite part was the post that described one of sciences greatest assets as evidence that science should not be trusted:

It is important to note that back in the 1940's, college students were taught, as fact, that the earth and the universe were two billion years old—and this was verified by several independent methods that gave the same date. Now students are taught that the age of the earth is 4.6 billion years old! This shows, clearly, that the scientific method in relation to the past has problems! Scientists should approach this issue cautiously, recognizing their own limitations.
 
shanek said:
The title of this thread is a redundancy.

Redundancy?

Educate me..


It raises the question, of where would I find some creationism arguments that aren't silly,
but the term for that type of word approximation is escaping me at the moment..

Is it ' oxymoron ' ?
 
The creationists are not all as simple as those shown above. Below is an excerpt from a discussion with an Intelligent Design proponent (ID is the new and improved Creationism).

quote:
"In fact, intelligent design is open to direct experimental rebuttal. Here is a thought experiment that makes the point clear. In Darwin's Black Box I claimed that the bacterial flagellum was irreducibly complex and so required deliberate intelligent design. The flip side of this claim is that the flagellum can't be produced by natural selection acting on random mutation, or any other unintelligent process. To falsify such a claim, a scientist could go into the laboratory, place a bacterial species lacking a flagellum
under some selective pressure (for mobility, say), grow it for ten thousand generations, and see if a flagellum - or any equally complex system - was produced. If that happened, my claims would be neatly disproven. "

However, you must recognize that in historical sciences where experiments are "inappropriate" as discussed by Ernst Mayr, the only way to "test" an historical hypothesis [what caused a particular event to occur] is to postulate multiple competing hypotheses and then seek to rule out all but the hypothesis to be tested via the evidence. This is essentially Dembski's
method of design detection. It requires the ruling out of natural causes for the patterns. If they can not be ruled out by the evidence, then a design inference is not warranted. This is not the case with the evolutionary hypothesis, becuase it does not seek to rule out the only competing hypothesis - design theory. Regardless of all the excuses for not considering the evidence, in the final analysis, it remains untested by experiment and by a sucessful ruling out of the only competing hypothesis.]
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Still bogus but it takes longer to wade through the argument.
 
Diogenes said:
Redundancy?

Yes. All creationist arguments are silly, being based on nothing more than personal beliefs and the ignoring of valid experimental data.

Is it ' oxymoron ' ?

No, oxymoron is when the two terms are contradictary.
 
shanek said:


Yes. All creationist arguments are silly, being based on nothing more than personal beliefs and the ignoring of valid experimental data.



No, oxymoron is when the two terms are contradictary.

O.K..
I just never thought of a single unnecessary adjective as being redundant.. Superfluous, maybe...
 
fidiot said:
Isn't this thread supposed to be in R&P forum anyway?

If you have to ask, then it really doesn't matter.

I suggest worrying about things that are worth worrying about.
 
While I wait for FTP to finish...

Oxymoron: Honest Politician...

Tautology: Silly creationism
 

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