"Israel's Richest Woman [Shari Arison] Says She Can See the Future . . . In her new book published this summer in Israel, the 51-year-old Miami native says she felt the Indonesian tsunami sweeping over the land two months before it happened and sensed Hurricane Katrina pummeling New Orleans. In an interview, Arison says she also 'saw the writing on the wall' before the global economic crash . . . Armed with the insight gained through work with Florida-based psychiatrist Brian Weiss, a proponent of regression therapy and the exploration of (take your pick) deep memories or past lives, she says she is ready to go public with her visions and bring together her spiritual and business goals." See http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/30/AR2009083002473.html?hpid=artslot
"She's Got a Vision"
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Is she going to let somebody know about these future huge natural disasters next time? Seems a bit selfish to wait a few years after the events to publish her book saying how she knew about these things before they happened.
You don't think she could be telling fibs, do you?
ETA: OK I read the story. She seems to have her heart in the right place, unfortunately for her, her head is stuck some place it shouldn't be.
You don't think she could be telling fibs, do you?
ETA: OK I read the story. She seems to have her heart in the right place, unfortunately for her, her head is stuck some place it shouldn't be.
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blue sock monkey
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You mean, exploit the pain and suffering of thousands of people for personal gain in a blatant fraud? Perish the thought.
Well she does run a chain of Hotels. I've never stayed at one of them, but you may be right...
Foolmewunz
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This is the Washington Post of Watergate, fame? How the mighty have fallen.
Really - they ought to be ashamed of this.....
Okay, I know it's in the Arts & Living section (sort of the Forum Community of the Post, I guess), but there's nothing in the above that says it's her opinion - more like a conclusion that the journalist reached.
Pretty off-putting. I've written them.
Really - they ought to be ashamed of this.....
Okay, I know it's in the Arts & Living section (sort of the Forum Community of the Post, I guess), but there's nothing in the above that says it's her opinion - more like a conclusion that the journalist reached.
Pretty off-putting. I've written them.
patchbunny
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"I picture clean towels and a well-made bed in your future..."
Czarcasm
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Agents get paid big bucks to throw this glurge all over the web.
Are you a PR flack, or a dupe?
Starthinker
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Are you saying that on a site where paranormal claims are discussed we shouldn't discuss paranormal claims? Or just this paranormal claim?
I know the poor and downtrodden are susceptable to woo because they want their lives to have a greator or higher meaning, but do you think the rich are susceptable to woo because they can simply afford it? This really got me thinking about the types of woo rich people fall for compared to the types of woo poor people fall for.
souper genyus
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Then I hold Shari Arison personally responsible for the deaths of both the tsunami and Katrina. Shall we hold a trial or is she going to admit she's completely full of crap?
MysteryMammal
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Sounds more like she can see the past... Why is it that psychics claim to have predicted global tragedies, but they never saw fit to mention these premonitions until after the fact?
Truth be told, I have psychic abilities. I see another cup of coffee in my future...
Truth be told, I have psychic abilities. I see another cup of coffee in my future...
Can you distinguish this woman from someone like Sylvia Browne? If so, on what basis do you do so (a priori)?
Linda
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Foolmewunz
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From what I understand, that would be an awfully large amount of money.
Sylvia probably dreams of having as much as Arison. She's a billionaire, and I doubt that Sylvia sells that many books. Arison owns like 40% of a major bank in Israel, plus Carnival Cruise Lines and all sorts of other goodies. She's not "the idle rich", she's "filthy stinking rich".
She's a lot richer than Sylvia, for one thing.It would be interesting to know if she credits any of her wealth to intuition; i.e., making a business decision based on what she felt was going to happen, rather than logical analysis.
I'm trying to understand why you started this thread.
However, this raises a good point. As I mentioned in the Connie Sonne and the Pavel threads (as well as thread on the discussion I had with Suitbert Ertel), is looking at people who claim to have magical powers really the right way to go about finding people who have magical powers, since that group seems to be mostly populated by people who misinterpret bias and chance as an effect? Perhaps we should be looking at a different set of people - those who are successful business-people, for example.
Linda
The only way that would make sense is if a psychic had, not just a premonition, but detailed knowledge of exactly what was going to happen, including the names of the hijackers. For example, suppose a psychic woke up on 9/11 with such a strong feeling that planes were going to be hijacked from Boston's Logan Airport that morning that s/he called the Airport to warn them of what was about to happen. Would the authorities have acted on that warning? If so, what would they have done?
Similarly, with regard to the Indian Ocean Tsunami, what would, for example, Phuket Thailand authorities have done if a psychic had telephoned them on December 26, 2004 and told them to immediately evacuate the beach area? Do you think that warning would have been acted on?
With respect to Hurricane Katrina, that's a somewhat different situation, in that virtually everyone know 24-48 hours before it hit New Orleans that there was going to be major damage. However, the real question was: Would the levees hold? Suppose a psychic had telephoned the Federal Emergency Management Agency to tell them that the levees would fail -- would that have saved lives?
Foolmewunz
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Rodney,
I think all the examples you give speak more to the credibility of psychics than to their performance of their duty to humanity.
If this woman, for instance, is recognized as a psychic by the legions of true believers... Or if Sylvia Browne has a vast following who dote on her every word....
While they might not get FEMA to listen to them, don't they at least owe it to the people who "have faith" to warn them of these things? Sylvia never did a reading for someone from New Orleans? Why aren't they at least TRYING to warn people.
All I see is psychics making claims after the fact. The few who've actually put something in writing, when checked out, turn out to have written something like, "I foresee a natural disaster with much loss of life around the end of the year." When the Tsunami hit, I went a-googling and could not find one psychic prediction for that year with the words "tidal wave" or "tsunami" in it.
If I was suddenly gifted with the actual power to accurately predict disasters, accidents, medical conditions, whatnot.... I'd be spending my entire life trying to warn people off.
I think all the examples you give speak more to the credibility of psychics than to their performance of their duty to humanity.
If this woman, for instance, is recognized as a psychic by the legions of true believers... Or if Sylvia Browne has a vast following who dote on her every word....
While they might not get FEMA to listen to them, don't they at least owe it to the people who "have faith" to warn them of these things? Sylvia never did a reading for someone from New Orleans? Why aren't they at least TRYING to warn people.
All I see is psychics making claims after the fact. The few who've actually put something in writing, when checked out, turn out to have written something like, "I foresee a natural disaster with much loss of life around the end of the year." When the Tsunami hit, I went a-googling and could not find one psychic prediction for that year with the words "tidal wave" or "tsunami" in it.
If I was suddenly gifted with the actual power to accurately predict disasters, accidents, medical conditions, whatnot.... I'd be spending my entire life trying to warn people off.
souper genyus
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If a self proclaimed psychic has a "premonition" that doesn't contain specific information, then it's not really a premonition after all, is it? If there is no specific information in the premonition, then any number of scenarios could be interpreted as fulfilling the prophecy, in which case it really isn't a prophecy at all.
If she really believes she has psychic powers, she should get them confirmed in a controlled experiment. If her powers are validated, then people will take her seriously when she predicts a disaster. If she does have powers and refuses to get tested, she is still responsible for the deaths of those in Katrina and the tsunami.
Czarcasm
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No, I'm saying that if I wanted to subscribe to a paranormal news-clipping service, I'd do so. I'd like Rodney to do a bit more than play "parrot" when he posts this woo glurge, and maybe throw in a few of his own words-maybe even his own opinion on the matter.
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