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Sexism on Campus

Tony

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/10/04/womens.college.ap/index.html


AURORA, New York (AP) -- More than a third of Wells College's all-female student body protested trustees' decision to admit male students Sunday, sleeping in the lobby of the administration building or in the 15 tents set up on the lawn outside.

About 170 students protested for a second day after Saturday's decision to admit men to the 400-student school beginning next year.
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Rank hypocrites.
 
Uh... how are they hypocrites? Surely in order to be hypocrites the same students that protested would have had to campaign for equal rights in the past?

I see people with bad ideas, not hypocrites.

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If they want to has a single sex school, why shouldn't they be allowed? So long as it is a private organisation.
 
Sometimes separating the sexes is OK. Like in locker room situations/

I dont think the original all women policy was created out of malice towards men.
 
I had read a different article on this yesterday that had a line I thought quite funny. It's missing from the above linked article, but I dug around and found one that kept it:

http://www.fox23news.com/news/state/story.aspx?content_id=68554533-4DC9-4A5E-92BA-C970F73CF0A4

The opponents of Wells going coed say they want to preserve the college's traditions, and they worry men may dominate the classroom if they are admitted.
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I love that--the committed single-sex education students believe that women can't hold their own against men in the classroom. Feminism, this is not.
 
Drooper said:
If they want to has a single sex school, why shouldn't they be allowed? So long as it is a private organisation.
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It IS allowed. This college is dwindling into bankruptcy because of having very few students. They're seeking more enrollment, not making a political/philosophical statement.
 
Students papered the hallways inside Macmillan Hall with signs that read: "Coeducation Silences Women" and "Single-sex Education is Alive and Wells."
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Huh?
 
From the end of the article linked above
The college in Aurora, 35 miles southwest of Syracuse, has been educated women for 136 years.
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Apparently the author didn't go to a Uni though.
 
Protesting because you are going to mix with the opposite sex... I think this is as close to paranormal as I will ever experience...
 
Is it hypocritical to be for separate restrooms and sports teams for men and women BUT be against single gender schools?
 
Tmy said:
Is it hypocritical to be for separate restrooms and sports teams for men and women BUT be against single gender schools?
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The restroom thing is based on cultural concepts of modesty, not cultural concepts of inequality. The sports thing is based on expectations of biological inequality. Neither seems to apply to education, at least not these days.

However, I'm all in favor of letting people do stupid things. If they want to segregate, let them. It will leave the students that much less able to deal with the other half of the species, but that's their problem.
 
TragicMonkey said:
The restroom thing is based on cultural concepts of modesty, not cultural concepts of inequality.
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But isnt the same gender schooling also based on culturally created concepts? That the boys be more upfront and bold while the women stay quite and take a back seat.

Personally I think its kinda silly to have an all gender school because the real world doesnt work that way. Eventually you have to deal with the other side, better to prepare fot that while in school.

At the same time i think if I had a daughter i wouldnt mind her goingto an all gals school.
 
Tmy said:
But isnt the same gender schooling also based on culturally created concepts? That the boys be more upfront and bold while the women stay quite and take a back seat.
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Ah, but those culturally created concepts are bad for political reasons. The bathroom thing is still acceptable...for the moment.

Personally, I haven't found it to be true that boys are bolder in the classroom. Either the concept is invalid, or people aren't fitting in with it so much. Timid people are timid, regardless of gender. Perhaps there are cultural pressures...but those can be fought off.

Although I do suspect that there is cultural pressure on the types of things the sexes are supposed to be good at. I know women who get very annoyed when people are surprised at their talents in math or computer science, and I used to get pissed off when my teachers expressed amazement that I could actually write well, being male and all. I would nod and mention that some scholars believe Shakespeare might have been male, and his stuff seems pretty good. Lol. What a little bastard I was.
 
Tmy said:
Sometimes separating the sexes is OK. Like in locker room situations/

I dont think the original all women policy was created out of malice towards men.
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Well, not all men, just the few men like Tony!

:p
 
TragicMonkey said:
I know women who get very annoyed when people are surprised at their talents in math or computer science...
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Ironically enough the first computer programmers were women. Also, in WW2 women were put to work calculating the tables to be affixed to guns, which give you the proper angle for a given range etc. They were given the thinking tasks partly because of the shortage of men, but also because it was considered womens work.

I remember seeing a black and white documentary (or maybe it was a newsreel) in which they were boasting about the new mechanical calculating machines, and they said how they will save hundreds of women-hours of calculation.

Two subject's I'd definitly not be surprised to see women excel in are maths and computing. Probably the majority of the maths departments of all the Unis I've been to have been women.

Women excelling in engineering on the other hand would surprise (but not shock) me.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I love that--the committed single-sex education students believe that women can't hold their own against men in the classroom. Feminism, this is not.
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Sure it is. Most feminists see men as oppressors, hence dominators.

An all-female institution is considered an oppression-free environment, where people play by the rules and women can finally experience personal growth. Whereas an all-male institution is of course a patriarchical fortress, where men conspire to keep women out of power and refuse to share the benefits that should be available to everybody.
 
Man, I wish I was young enough to go back to college so I could enroll at Wells. I would totally leave the seat up all the time.
 
I am woman, hear me...complain?

I am appalled by the news. Is this the best way these young, supposedly intelligent women could approach the administration about this issue? I wonder if they tried to communicate their opposition to the decision (or pending decision) before deciding upon this mode of action.

I have had it with these women who use feminism as a way to escape from having to "deal" with men. I'm not sure how single-gender schooling helps with confidence or prepares one for life outside the classroom. And to women in school --instead of worrying that the guys will be more dominant in the classroom, study, speak up and be dominant in the classroom. Simple.


And DaChew, as a woman, I would have no problem with your toilet seat behaviors. As long as you have no problem with stockings in the shower ;)
 
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