Sex AND violence?

[billydkid]

Try and imagine Frank Sinatra singing that - "Sex and violence, sex and violence.....go together like..." tough one to rhyme. Anyway, WTF? Why on earth are these two linked in the American psyche? I'm going to express an idea here that some may find highly offensive - sex is GOOD! I know it's a toughie. I know here in America we've been spoon fed since birth the message that there is somehow something fundamentally unwholesome about sex. I am still suffering from the lingering effects of that indoctrination myself.

I remember seeing a debate between what's Al Goldstein (Screw magazine) and some anti-porn feminist. The feminist kept talking about how his mag and other appealed only to purient interests. The question Al kept trying to ask and which the woman could not even HEAR - I mean it was so foreign to her she couldn't even comprehend what he was saying - was, what is WRONG with purient interest? Why is there a tacit assumption that titilation is bad? That purient interest is bad? Why does it have to be able to justify itself with some sort of socially "redeeming" quality? Where did this assumption come from? Well, actually I know where it came from, but why can we simply just not get over it?
That's my tirade. my best, BDK

 

[zultr]

I'm with you on the sex is good front, but it's "prurient."

Funny how sexually repressive religions like Catholocism have a history of violence while condemning both. It's not surprising that things like inquisitions happen when people don't get laid enough. Ironically, Catholocism is nearly single-handedly responsible for hundreds of fetishes and various sexual perversions, much to the benefit of today's porn industry.

 

[billydkid]

yes, thank you

I'm with you on the sex is good front, but it's "prurient."

Funny how sexually repressive religions like Catholocism have a history of violence while condemning both. It's not surprising that things like inquisitions happen when people don't get laid enough. Ironically, Catholocism is nearly single-handedly responsible for hundreds of fetishes and various sexual perversions, much to the benefit of today's porn industry.

Yes, prurient. Duh.

 

[RandFan]

Try and imagine Frank Sinatra singing that - "Sex and violence, sex and violence.....go together like..." tough one to rhyme. Anyway, WTF? Why on earth are these two linked in the American psyche? I'm going to express an idea here that some may find highly offensive - sex is GOOD! I know it's a toughie. I know here in America we've been spoon fed since birth the message that there is somehow something fundamentally unwholesome about sex. I am still suffering from the lingering effects of that indoctrination myself.

I remember seeing a debate between what's Al Goldstein (Screw magazine) and some anti-porn feminist. The feminist kept talking about how his mag and other appealed only to purient interests. The question Al kept trying to ask and which the woman could not even HEAR - I mean it was so foreign to her she couldn't even comprehend what he was saying - was, what is WRONG with purient interest? Why is there a tacit assumption that titilation is bad? That purient interest is bad? Why does it have to be able to justify itself with some sort of socially "redeeming" quality? Where did this assumption come from? Well, actually I know where it came from, but why can we simply just not get over it?
That's my tirade. my best, BDK

I saw that debate. I remember it because it was the beginning of a change for me. I had been involved with the Mormon Church's efforts to "fight" pornography. Something about Al's matter of fact demeanor compared to the woman's aloofness and know it all attitude while not being able to provide a good answer sparked something in me. I to suffer from the lingering effects of the indoctrination, as does my wife.

I don't know if it is true but according to my Psychology teacher serious (harmful) deviant behavior became the most prolific during the Victorian age. Putting restraints on such an important and powerful human drive is fraught with unintended consequences. And while monogamy has familial advantages the human male is not physiological constructed to be monogamous.

Sorry, I don't have the data. If anyone knows of any support for this I would love to see it.

 

[RandFan]

What's all this fuss I keep hearing about violins on television? Why don't parents want their kids to see violins on television? I thought the Leonardo Bernstein concerts were just lovely, now, if they only show violins on television after ten o'clock at night, the little babies will all be asleep and they won't learn any music appreciation. They'll learn to play guitars, and bongo drums and go to Africa and join these rock'n roll outfits and they won't drink milk! I think there should be more violins on television and less game shows...
--Miss Emily Littela

 

[LucyR]

Re: Re: Sex AND violence?

I don't know if it is true but according to my Psychology teacher serious (harmful) deviant behavior became the most prolific during the Victorian age. Putting restraints on such an important and powerful human drive is fraught with unintended consequences.

Right. I'm sorry to say that from my point of view the American attitude to sex does seem Victorian. I also think that this attitude is responsible for some of the less appealing facets of the American character. I think a society that permits explicit violence on public broadcast, but reacts hysterically to the sight of a female nipple, is an unhappy one (and on that level is all too easy to compare with some other societies around the world, particularly some hyper-religious ones). No offence meant, I just think it's sad.

 

[Mr Manifesto]

Sex and violence
Sex and violence
Go together like truth and silence
This, I tell you brother
Is what we call Hollywood's mother...


Yeah, yeah, it's crap, save me your responses.

 

[epepke]

Re: Re: Sex AND violence?

I don't know if it is true but according to my Psychology teacher serious (harmful) deviant behavior became the most prolific during the Victorian age.

It depends on what you mean by deviant behavior. From one definition, the Victorian age was inherently harmful and deviant. As Penn & Teller pointed out, enjoying looking at naked people isn't gratuitous; without it, we'd die out. What is gratuitous is just about everything else.

If one considers hard sadomasochism to be harmful and dangerous, which I'm not sure one does, there was certainly a hell of a lot of it during the Victorian age. In Britain, there are far more mainstream spanking and caning magazines than just about anywhere.

 

[Jas]

I've never hear of someone having sex, then going off to shoot up a post office.