Senate Amnesty Could Strain Welfare System

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Haven't had a chance to read this in depth, but some interesting figures for discussion:
  • 51% of all Mexican immigrant households use at least one major welfare program and 28% use more than one program.
    – 40% use food assistance, 35% use Medicaid, 6% use cash assistance.
  • 45% of all Latin American immigrant households use at least one welfare program and 24% use more than one program.
    – 32% use food assistance, 31% use Medicaid, 6% use cash assistance.
  • 20% of native households use at least one welfare program and 11% multiple programs.
    – 11% use food assistance, 15% use Medicaid, 5% use cash assistance.
  • Among Mexican and Latin American households, welfare use is somewhat higher for households headed by legal, as opposed to illegal, immigrants. Thus legalization will likely increase welfare costs still further.
  • 90% of Mexican and Latin American households have at least one worker. Their heavy welfare use reflects their low education levels and resulting low incomes – and not an unwillingness work.
    – 61% of all Mexican immigrants have not graduated high school.
    – 48% of all Latin American immigrants have not graduated high school.
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BPSCG said:
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Haven't had a chance to read this in depth, but some interesting figures for discussion:
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Here some more:Damn link, anyway Heritage Foundation by Robert E. Rector, Amnesty will cost U.S. taxpayer 2.6 trillion.

Who cares?
 
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mr rosewater said:
Here some more:Damn link, anyway Heritage Foundation by Robert E. Rector, Amnesty will cost U.S. taxpayer 2.6 trillion.
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The 2.6 Trillion figure is based on the assumption of an economically static immigrant population over decades.

Historically, each wave of legal immigrants become upwardly mobile within a generation or two. Check today's earning power of the naturalized populations after the immigration reform bills in 1965 and 1985.
 
rtalman said:
The 2.6 Trillion figure is based on the assumption of an economically static immigrant population over decades.

Historically, each wave of legal immigrants become upwardly mobile within a generation or two. Check today's earning power of the naturalized populations after the immigration reform bills in 1965 and 1985.
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I'm not buying it pal the overwhelming majority have no high school education don't p33 on me and tell me its raining.
 
Ah, so CIS found that immigrants are a strain on social services.

Next week, I expect the Cato Institute will release a study showing the benefits of free-market policies.
 
Cleon said:
Ah, so CIS found that immigrants are a strain on social services.

Next week, I expect the Cato Institute will release a study showing the benefits of free-market policies.
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And, unless I miss my bet, you'll find a way to disagree with both of them. :p
 
There are an estimated 1.4 million households headed by illegal aliens using at least one major welfare program. If even half these families returned to their home countries, the savings for taxpayers could be substantial.
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I think this sums up the absurdity of this whole situation. We are discussing giving "amnesty" to people who are already receiving welfare. If getting a check from the government isn't "amnesty" then what is?

It's time to cut the crap and just acknowledge what we are already doing. If that means officially granting "amnesty" to people who have already had for years, so be it. Since illegals can already get government services it's hard to argue that making them legal is going to cost more.

While I'm sure deporting 700K households would save taxpayers money, who is going to fill the 630K jobs that will now be open? The lawns in my neighborhood would go to hell if that happened.
 
Ohmer said:
The lawns in my neighborhood would go to hell if that happened.
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Nice, is this what illegal immigration is all about god forbid some body's lawn goes to h3!l.


We don't have enough poor we need to import a new slave class?
 
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What is the responsibility of the Mexican government in any of this?



ZERO, thanx for playin.


It's really good to know, no one could care less about the latest invasion of the U.S..
 
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On the other hand, it may save Social Security with a new influx of wage-earners to replace the retiring Boomers.
 
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your Non Mexican tired, your Non Mexican poor,

Your Non Mexican huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the Non Mexican homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
 
mr rosewater said:
Tricky, SS is a pyramid scheme, we should be responsible for ourselves, you know who I trust? ME!
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We are responsible for ourselves. We responsibly elect people to do what we think is best for the country. You are of course welcome to take care of yourself. If you don't want Social Security, then nobody is making you take it.

Now if you mean you want Social Security outlawed, well then you have your work cut out for you in getting our lawmakers to agree with you, as it has been a tremendously popular and, thus far, successful program. True, the Baby Boomers are going to test it to the limits, but luckily we have plenty of eager immigrants to take up the slack in our aging work force.
 
Tricky said:
We are responsible for ourselves. We responsibly elect people to do what we think is best for the country. You are of course welcome to take care of yourself. If you don't want Social Security, then nobody is making you take it.

Now if you mean you want Social Security outlawed, well then you have your work cut out for you in getting our lawmakers to agree with you, as it has been a tremendously popular and, thus far, successful program. True, the Baby Boomers are going to test it to the limits, but luckily we have plenty of eager immigrants to take up the slack in our aging work force.
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I can't share your optimism, but depending on how the economy goes, the Ponzi scheme may sustain itself when I hang up the spurs.

Or not.

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
I can't share your optimism, but depending on how the economy goes, the Ponzi scheme may sustain itself when I hang up the spurs.

Or not.
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Well, life is a risk. "Taking care of yourself" is a risk too. There is no guarantee your investments will be able to sustain you if there is a global market collapse.

Maybe you can hire some cheap immigrant labor to take care of you when become dottering.
 
Tricky said:
Well, life is a risk. "Taking care of yourself" is a risk too. There is no guarantee your investments will be able to sustain you if there is a global market collapse.

Maybe you can hire some cheap immigrant labor to take care of you when become dottering.
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Nah, I'll go the Jesse James rout: go out a populist hero, guns blazing. :D

DR
 
If the Government was serious, they could end this problem. Why not make unforgable social security cards (or at least as unforgable as money)?
 
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