seeing the light in skepticism

[De'Ville's Advocaat]

I have seen many skeptics claim there is no evidence of psi, when there is - there is some debate about it, but there is plenty of evidence.

I am starting to think that some people are simply not able to see somethings. I know of skeptics who have bent spoon bowls in the same manner as pk party goers but refused to accept they used excessive force. Even after experiencing a PK event, they only accept it into their reality as a normal physical effect, despite also knowing that it is impossible to use normal physical force without leaving flesh dents bruising etc,.

Frankly, I think this is perfectly normal. Everyone would at some point have to adjust such a dissonant reality into their mind-set. Believers must see these kinds of people in the same strange way that skeptics must view believers. Eventually, the more people who experience it and accept it, it will pass 'critical mass' in terms of belief and become memeticaly 'real'. At that point, we will be able to learn more about what it actually is. But we have to get to that point of acceptance first.

I think we are at a stage with Psi where some events will be real to some and not to others, where both will be right.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Another stupid psych-101 thread, just what we needed.

* yawn *

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Don't just keep spamming up the board about how sceptics are too closed-minded to see blah yadda metaphysics blah jabber frightened of the truth wibble paradigms burble mind set spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam.

The fact that believers seem to spend more time drivelling out this stuff than talking about evidence for psi has done more than anything else to convince me there's nothing at all in it. Their substitute for any hard evidence is whining about the people who aren't convinced by flimsy, half-baked evidence. Now,

<marquee>SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE</marquee>

 

[Anders]

*sigh* *sigh* *SIGH*

waiting...............

Nope, still no evidence.

If there is a reference to a certain female researcher at Edinbourg University, I'm outta here....

 

[Nex]

I have seen many skeptics claim there is no evidence of psi, when there is - there is some debate about it, but there is plenty of evidence.

There is? Well-documented scientific evidence, you mean? Can you bring some here for us to see?

You sound like someone I know... DTOP, is that you?

Don't mind Dr. A, apparently he's had way too much caffeine.


*edited to add* Dr. A., that was hilarious. Poetry truly in motion.

 

[c4ts]

Show me one real PK event, and by that I mean an event where the PK is real.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Re: Re: seeing the light in skepticism

Don't mind Dr. A, apparently he's had way too much caffeine.

I thought you'd given up cold-reading?

 

[Nex]

Re: Re: Re: seeing the light in skepticism

I thought you'd given up cold-reading?

Are you getting cheeky with me?


That scrolling post of yours just got you a nomination for a language award. You're welcome.

 

[Interesting Ian]

Re: Re: seeing the light in skepticism

*edited to add* Dr. A., that was hilarious. Poetry truly in motion. [/B]

It was not hilarious. He is spamming. I've reported it.

 

[Operaider]

Re: Re: Re: seeing the light in skepticism

It was not hilarious. He is spamming. I've reported it.

Does that qualify as spamming?
I always thought spamming was more excessive.

 

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Dr. A said:
Don't just keep spamming up the board about how sceptics are too closed-minded to see blah yadda metaphysics blah jabber frightened of the truth wibble paradigms burble mind set spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam.

Okay, that was mildly ironic.

~~ Paul

 

[Yaotl]

Re: Re: Re: seeing the light in skepticism

It was not hilarious. He is spamming. I've reported it.

That isn't spamming. You really aren't a very likeable person, are you?

 

[c4ts]

<font style="font size: 100pt"><marquee>EVIDENCE! EVIDENCE! WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? IS IT IN YOUR POCKET? DID YOU FORGET TO POST IT? SHOW IT! HERE! NOW! GIANT TEXT IS FUN TO SCROLL! WHEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!</marquee></font>

 

[Ashles]

Even after experiencing a PK event, they only accept it into their reality as a normal physical effect, despite also knowing that it is impossible to use normal physical force without leaving flesh dents bruising etc

Really? And the research that demonstrates this is... where exactly?

The last report we had of someone at a PK party was entirely different to your claim there. They bent bowls and cutlery an came to the conclusion it was perfectly doable by normal means.

I think we are at a stage with Psi where some events will be real to some and not to others, where both will be right.

Well you are entitled to your opinion and belief. Many others think we are not at that stage at all and you are incorrect in almost every way in your post.

At the moment the (lack of) evidence supports the sceptics position. If things change due to new evidence coming to light then that will be interesting and will change many things. This has not yet happened and your assuming it will does not mean it actually will ever happen.

Here's a test - if PK is so prevalent and obervable, put a piece of metal on a table (doesn't matter how thin - it could be a wire for the purposes of the test) and have someone bend it,
without touching it.
Then I'll believe it exists.
Until then it's just bending with your hands, which isn't particularly paranormal.

 

[Interesting Ian]

Re: Re: Re: Re: seeing the light in skepticism

That isn't spamming. You really aren't a very likeable person, are you?

{shrugs}

A lot of people dislike me. Inevitably they're the ones that form an instant opinion of people. Those that get to know me think I'm great and that I'm unique.

 

[hgc]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: seeing the light in skepticism

{shrugs}

A lot of people dislike me. Inevitably they're the ones that form an instant opinion of people. Those that get to know me think I'm great and that I'm unique.

I like you, Ian.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: seeing the light in skepticism

I like you, Ian.

So do I.

 

[Interesting Ian]

Thanks TS & hgc.

Should we just turn this thread into an Interesting Ian appreciation thread?

 

[TLN]

A lot of people dislike me. Inevitably they're the ones that form an instant opinion of people. Those that get to know me think I'm great and that I'm unique.

It helps that you're instantly dislikable.

 

[Ashles]

Those that get to know me think I'm great and that I'm unique.

Indeed. Some even think of you as 'special'.

 

[Operaider]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: seeing the light in skepticism

{shrugs}

A lot of people dislike me. Inevitably they're the ones that form an instant opinion of people. Those that get to know me think I'm great and that I'm unique.

I think you're quite unique