Secret Bush Tapes

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In reading this story, I have considerably more respect for Bush than before. I may not LIKE him any better, but it's interesting to see how his mind works.

White House - AP

NEW YORK - Private conversations with George Bush secretly taped by an old friend before he was elected president foreshadow some of his political strategies and appear to reveal that he acknowledged using marijuana, The New York Times reported Saturday.

The conversations were recorded by Doug Wead, a former aide to George W. Bush's father, beginning in 1998, when Bush was weighing a presidential bid, until just before the Republican National Convention in 2000, the Times said in a story posted on its Web site.

The tapes show Bush crafting a strategy for navigating the tricky political waters between Christian conservative and secular voters, repeatedly worrying that evangelicals would be angered by a refusal to bash gays and that secular Americans would be turned off by meetings with evangelical leaders.

On one tape, Bush explains that he told one prominent evangelical that he would not "kick gays, because I'm a sinner. How can I differentiate sin?"

In early tapes, Bush dismisses the strength of John McCain for the nomination and expresses concern about rival Steve Forbes. He also praises John Ashcroft as a promising candidate for Supreme Court justice, attorney general or vice president.

Bush also criticizes then-Vice President Al Gore for admitting marijuana use and explains why he would not do the same.

"I wouldn't answer the marijuana questions," he said, according to the Times. "You know why? Because I don't want some little kid doing what I tried."

According to the article, Wead played 12 of the tapes to a Times reporter. He said he recorded them because he viewed Bush as a historic figure. He is the author of a new book on presidential childhoods.

The White House did not deny the authenticity of the tapes.

"The governor was having casual conversations with someone he believed was his friend," White House spokesman Trent Duffy said, referring to Bush.
 
Roadtoad said:
In reading this story, I have considerably more respect for Bush than before. I may not LIKE him any better, but it's interesting to see how his mind works.

Same here. I'm a lot more comfortable thinking he's just cynically using the religiousies for support than I was when I suspected him of actually being that much of a holy roller. I'm sure he is genuinely religious, although not to the degree that merits alarm.

Just as long as he doesn't feel the need to throw too many bones to the religious.

(I liked Clinton a lot better when I figured out he was an intelligent crook rather than a bemused moron.)
 
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TragicMonkey said:
(I liked Clinton a lot better when I figured out he was an intelligent crook rather than a bemused moron.)
It used to anger my friends and family to no end when I would say that Clinton was one of the best politicians ever and I had a great deal of respect for him for that.
 
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RandFan said:
It used to anger my friends and family to no end when I would say that Clinton was one of the best politicians ever and I had a great deal of respect for him for that.

I think Clinton's problem is that he didn't mature until after his career was over. The same could be said of Bush Sr.

Either of them would do a 500 percent better job now than when they had the baton.
 
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corplinx said:
I think Clinton's problem is that he didn't mature until after his career was over. The same could be said of Bush Sr.

Either of them would do a 500 percent better job now than when they had the baton.
I think this is so true. However part of the problem of politics is politics. Both would still have to deal with politics. One reason they seem more mature is that they are not so bound by politics.
 
Although it should be mentioned that if "Secret Clinton Tapes" were a thread title, the tapes would be videos, and the contents woudn't be campaign planning.

Poor Bush. I get the feeling he's just not getting the same amount of fun out of being president that his predecessor did.
 
If anyone's interested I have a set of secret "the fool" tapes. Not very exciting, all I admit to using is sensible warm underwear.
 
The Fool said:
If anyone's interested I have a set of secret "the fool" tapes. Not very exciting, all I admit to using is sensible warm underwear.

Those should fetch a hefty sum on the black market.
 
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corplinx said:
I think Clinton's problem is that he didn't mature until after his career was over. The same could be said of Bush Sr.

Either of them would do a 500 percent better job now than when they had the baton.

That's true for life in general, though, isn't it? If you could know at 20 what you'd know at 70...
 
Well, it turns out that Bush apparently DOES say and believes in private... more or less what he says in public! My favorite part was Bush reacting when he heard that someone praised him for his "promise" to "not hire gays" if elected: "No, what I said was, I won't fire gays!".

I liked the NY Times "exposition" of these tapes, though: in effect it was "Shock! Horror! President actually believes what he says! See pages 2, 3, 24, 56..."
 
The Fool said:
If anyone's interested I have a set of secret "the fool" tapes. Not very exciting, all I admit to using is sensible warm underwear.
I have The Fool's videos. Since he refused to meet my demands, here he is:

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Skeptic said:
That's true for life in general, though, isn't it? If you could know at 20 what you'd know at 70...
Not always. At twenty, I knew how to "snap to attention" (if you get my drift) on demand. Some years later...

Hmmm... I think this falls into the realm of "Too much information..."
 
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RandFan said:
It used to anger my friends and family to no end when I would say that Clinton was one of the best politicians ever and I had a great deal of respect for him for that.

I'm in the same boat with roughly half of my friends and family. The 'right' half didn't like my view (but for the wrong reasons) but the 'left' loved my view (but again for the wrong reason).

It is my opinion that if the Bush tapes had been released prior to the election they would have added at least one, if not two, points to his election numbers. He may be a nut but at least he's a coconut, and that's a tough nut to crack. Not a thing I heard (that was reported) lessened my view of him in any way and in fact slightly increased it. Were I of the conspiracy-oriented sort, I would believe that Carl Rove was somehow involved in the release. :)
 
I was quite surprised at the contents of the tapes. Bush does seem more like a reasoning person than I had previously thought.

I was also quite impressed at the vehemence of the right-wing whacko radio rants about the tape release. I suspect that this was the best publicity thing that could have happened to Bush - at least among his opponents. I wonder how his supporters feel about the tape contents.

edit to add: I have to agree with Rob about the Rove conspiracy idea.
 
fishbob said:
I wonder how his supporters feel about the tape contents.

I suspect the majority of his supporters feel the same way I do (I, being a supporter more-or-less or more-than-not, making up the majority of his supporters I think). I'm more interested in how his distractors feel about the tapes. Not the left-most 20%, of course (I know how they feel regardless of what they actually feel) but the others. Even your view (whom I consider somewhat if not very 'democrat' in nature) surprised me a little. I think I can guess Demon's view, as well as a few others that post here, but I can't guess the rest.
 
I was quite surprised at the contents of the tapes. Bush does seem more like a reasoning person than I had previously thought.

There's a lesson for you in there somewhere, fishbob...

I was also quite impressed at the vehemence of the right-wing whacko radio rants about the tape release.

I cannot vouch for right-wing radio nuts, but mainstream conservative or even right-wing opinion (e.g., The National Review, The Weekly Standard) was hardly like that.

First, they spent very little time (a page or less in most cases) on these tapes, due to the reasonable conclusion that the release of these tapes is the very definition of a non-event ("secret recordings show Bush says in private just what he says in public!"). Second, they concluded that, if anything, the tapes seem to help Bush a bit by making him look honest and dispelling the myth that he is some rabid gay-hater; then then they spend a few bemused paragraphs on:

a). The NYT's rather hyterical attempt to blow these tapes into some monumental discovery (Hence the New Republic's Mark Steyn: "Bush is a Christian Who Loves his Wife Shock! See pages 2, 3, 4, 9, 12-23, and a special unreadable Pulitzer-nomination section you can pull out and toss straight into the trash".)

b). water-cooler bet placing about exactly how long will it takes some loon from the left to "discover" the tapes were really Rove's doing (ahhh, Carl Rove... is there anything he cannot do?)
 
BPSCG said:
Is that a Bush-ism?

You know, the funny thing is how many "Bushisms" ("misunderestimated", "unredefeated", "distractors") SHOULD be real words...
 
BPSCG said:
Is that a Bush-ism?

I went to dictionary.com and still don't get how it might be considered as such. That, in and of itself, may well make it just such!.

Skeptic, I not only agree but some of his 'new' words have humorously made their way into common television/internet/social vocabulary. That's all a word needs to become real. The original usage will become but a footnote.
 

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