Scottish Parliament e-Petition 417

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A number of people on the forum have posted in support of the view that the conviction of Abdelbaset al-Megrahi for the Lockerbie bombing appears to be a miscarriage of justice. I would therefore encourage them to visit the web site of the Scottish parliament where an e-Petition has been opened which reads as follows.

Calling on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to open an independent inquiry into the 2001 Kamp van Zeist conviction of Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi for the bombing of Pan Am flight 103 in December 1988.


Signatures are accepted from residents of any country in the world who agree with the termsn of the petition in question. Only names and country of residence are published on the web site.

As most people know, Mr. al-Megrahi's original conviction attracted widespread criticism. Although the trial returned a guilty verdict, the evidence seemed to admit of a great deal of extremely reasonable doubt, and on critical points the judges appeared to have repeatedly preferred an unlikely interpretation which supported guilt to a likely interpretation which supported innocence. Prominent critics included Dr. Hans Kochler, official UN observer to the trial, Prof. Robert Black QC, who was instrumental in arranging the trial, Archbishop Desmond Tutu and a number of the bereaved relatives of the victims.

The original appeal against the verdict in 2002 was unfortunately brought on the wrong grounds, due to the unique nature of the trial (which was decided by a judicial bench, not a jury), and failed as a result.

In 2003, permission to lodge a second appeal was sought, and this was granted in 2007, when the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission found no less than six points on which there might have been a miscarriage of justice. The appeal had not yet come before the court by 2008, when Mr. al-Megrahi was diagnosed with aggressive metastatic prostate cancer. This was largely due to the repeated refusal of the government to allow the defence sight of a document cited by the SCCRC, which had not been disclosed by the prosecution and which was deemed potentially favourable to the defence.

When the appeal began in 2009 it was subject to a prolonged timetable which would not have seen a decision until the spring of this year. When Mr. al-Megrahi was given the prognosis of three months to live in August 2009, he dropped this appeal, apparently in the belief that this would expedite his release back to his home country.

The dropping of the appeal has closed off the obvious judicial route to a re-examination of this contentious and indeed perverse verdict. The lingering doubts are seen by many as casting a cloud over the reputation of the Scottish criminal justice system. As a result there has been increasing pressure for a full public inquiry into the affair. The e-Petition seeks to encourage the Scottish parliament to open such an inquiry.

Rolfe.
 
Excellent idea, this thread. I haven't signed the petition yet, bust day, and I want to be sure I do it right. Apparently it's open for everyone to sign, and it wouldn't hurt to have a million signatures saying "look again," even if they finally decide to say no.

Fr the record, the deadline is the 28th, so no huge rush.

Rolfe's got the reasons for a new probe explained quite well. I wonder if she knows much about the petition and e-petition process in Scotland?
 
I have signed it: not least because of all the research Rolfe and others have done on this board. I have learned a lot and I think there is not question but that this case needs to be re-examined
 
Rolfe's got the reasons for a new probe explained quite well. I wonder if she knows much about the petition and e-petition process in Scotland?


This isn't something with much influence. Anyone can start one of these petitions. We had a poster on the forum once before, who joined specifically to promote her petition, some sort of CT about the police covering up her daughter's murder by insisting it was a suicide.

The committee is free to take a cursory look at it and throw it in the bin. I expect them to do that. However, a high number of genuine signatories including some prominent names is a useful publicity move.

Rolfe.
 
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I overlooked this thread where Rolfe also posted. My comments are here. Sorry, I haven't figured out all of the ins and outs of JREF and how to link between forums. Help?
 
Bunntamas, your link brings me back here.

You can link to threads, which takes you to the beginning, or to individual posts, or to specific pages in a thread. This last is not recommended beause it will take different posters to completely different places in the thread depending on how many posts per page their system is set to display.

You can even quote posts, with link-back, in different threads, simply by copying on the text that appears in the "quote" box and copying it into the thread you want it in.

Rolfe.
 
Bunntamas, your link brings me back here.

You can link to threads, which takes you to the beginning, or to individual posts, or to specific pages in a thread. This last is not recommended beause it will take different posters to completely different places in the thread depending on how many posts per page their system is set to display.

You can even quote posts, with link-back, in different threads, simply by copying on the text that appears in the "quote" box and copying it into the thread you want it in.

Rolfe.

Thanks Rolfe. Sorry about that link taking you back here. I'll try again.
 
Trying again, per Rolfe's guidance in copying quote from the "Did..." forum.
So, how do you think it will stand up against other previously (pro Megrahi) failed petitions and polls such as this one - I gather that one didn't turn out as hoped. And this one Wow. Eighteen signatures.
I'll save the embarrassement of posting Charles' poll, which garnered, I think much less than 50 signatures. Which one was it that also failed? I'm losing count. You know, the one on / to which CL was so boasting about posting his name? Maybe it was the one noted above, in the Firm article, on which CL's name doesn't appear, that got snubbed.
And in contrast, have a look at the the number of signatures on this one and this one. Hmmmmm..... Can't wait to see how this latest one turns out. Maybe the polls will change as a result of the media that Swire has been [expletive]ing lately. Time will tell.

And by the way, where is the Megrahi / Megrahi family, any other Libyan, or Maltese supporter signature on any of the pro Megrahi petitions? Why are they absent and their absence un-noted here, or anywhere else for that matter?
 
Trying again, per Rolfe's guidance in copying quote from the "Did..." forum.


I don't see much point in having the same discussion in two different threads, and the mods don't like it.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6421408

One thing though. The petition calls for an inquiry. What I think it should really be calling for is for the findings of the SCCRC to be properly tested in court, with the verdict having the force of law. However, one petitions for what can feasibly be granted, I suppose.

Why are you so set against there being a proper inquiry into this, one way or another? You may have a particular point of view, but you can't possibly maintain that there's no cause to doubt the verdict, given the SCCRC findings and the widespread concern over the issue.

Rolfe.
 
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Well, you know, calm down a bit. I don't know why this petition angers you so much. Is an independent inquiry into the conviction something you're afraid of?

This thread is in Current Events. Different people post here than in Conspiracy Theories. Stay calm and you might find some posters to support you. You're the one apparently in the strong position, after all. Why are you so upset?

Rolfe.
 
Well, you know, calm down a bit. I don't know why this petition angers you so much. Is an independent inquiry into the conviction something you're afraid of?

This thread is in Current Events. Different people post here than in Conspiracy Theories. Stay calm and you might find some posters to support you. You're the one apparently in the strong position, after all. Why are you so upset?

Rolfe.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I'm not calm. I think my comments above are quite calm. What's the deal? :confused:
 
OK, you're calm. That's great. :) I was only talking about the quoted post.

I see the petition now has 217 signatures, up from 120 when I logged in earlier in the evening. It hasn't been going 24 hours yet. I have no idea what's considered to be a level of support worthy for the committee to take seriously. Probably a thousand more than this petition gets, irrespective of what it actually gets....

Rolfe.
 
Signed, but I expect it to have as much of an effect as the time I signed the number10 petition for Tony Blair to stand on his head and juggle ice cream. Unless I missed that spectacle.
 
Well, I can't say I'm optimistic about the prospects of this leading to an inquiry but I've signed it anyway.

I didn't recognise any particularly influential names among the signatories, except for Teddy Taylor, not sure if he's really an asset though...
 
Oh, happy birthday Professor Yaffle!

I don't think these things have much clout at all. However, if JFM have chosen to set up a petition, then I think they deserve a bit of support.

I think the petitions have a general problem in that the signatories don't seem to be verified in any way. I see several without a surname, and at least one which is clearly a pseudonym. I put my full name, address and email, but I haven't had a confirmatory email, and indeed the email field is optional. I added my mother's name for her, with no email, and her name appears too. It seems to me I could simply add the names of all my friends, relatives and neighbours, or indeed just go through the phone book adding people willy-nilly. Unless they've got some way to check whether a single computer is adding multiple unrelated names.

It's not very well thought-through.

Rolfe.
 

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