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Scotland mocks Louisiana anti-evolution education

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The Herald, a Scottish newspaper, mocks Louisana's educational program that allows teachers to use the Loch Ness monster myth to criticize evolution and says positive things about the KKK.


How American fundamentalist schools are using Nessie to disprove evolution
The Herald
24 June 2012


IT sounds like a plot dreamed up by the creators of Southpark, but it's all true: schoolchildren in Louisiana are to be taught that the Loch Ness monster is real in a bid by religious educators to disprove Darwin's theory of evolution.

Thousands of children in the southern state will receive publicly-funded vouchers for the next school year to attend private schools where Scotland's most famous mythological beast will be taught as a real living creature.

These private schools follow a fundamentalist curriculum including the Accelerated Christian Education (ACE) programme to teach controversial religious beliefs aimed at disproving evolution and proving creationism.

One tenet has it that if it can be proved that dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time as man then Darwinism is fatally flawed.

Critics have damned the content of the course books, calling them "bizarre" and accusing them of promoting radical religious and political ideologies.

The textbooks in the series are alleged to teach young earth creationism; are hostile towards other religions and other sectors of Christianity, including Roman Catholicism; and present a biased version of history that is often factually incorrect.

One ACE textbook – Biology 1099, Accelerated Christian Education Inc – reads: "Are dinosaurs alive today? Scientists are becoming more convinced of their existence. Have you heard of the 'Loch Ness Monster' in Scotland? 'Nessie' for short has been recorded on sonar from a small submarine, described by eyewitnesses, and photographed by others. Nessie appears to be a plesiosaur."

Another claim taught is that a Japanese whaling boat once caught a dinosaur. It's unclear if the movie Godzilla was the inspiration for this lesson.
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Private religious schools, including the Eternity Christian Academy in Westlake, Louisiana, which follows the ACE curriculum, have already been cleared to receive the state voucher money transferred from public school funding, thanks to a bill pushed through by state Governor Bobby Jindal.
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"One of these texts from Bob Jones University Press claims that dinosaurs were fire-breathing dragons. It has little to do with science as we currently understand. It's more like medieval scholasticism."
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Daniel Govender, managing director of Christian Education Europe, which is part of ACE, said the organisation would not comment to the press on what is contained in the texts.
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Textbooks of some state-funded Christian schools praise the Ku Klux Klan.

The violent, racist organisation, which still exists in the US, advocates white supremacy, white nationalism and anti-immigration.

One excerpt from Bob Jones University Press American history textbook has been reported as saying: "the [Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross ... In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians."


Other views taught include claims that being gay is a learned behaviour.
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Full: The Herald
 
How can state money be used for christian schools? Is anyone challenging the legality of this?

I know In AZ property tax pays for schools and as someone without children I have no issue with paying for schools in my community anyway but not if they are teaching that nessie is real and Jesus rode a dinosaur to work.
 
How can state money be used for christian schools? Is anyone challenging the legality of this?

I know In AZ property tax pays for schools and as someone without children I have no issue with paying for schools in my community anyway but not if they are teaching that nessie is real and Jesus rode a dinosaur to work.

It is simple. The public schools have no ability to "teach the truth," and so giving the voucher to students to attend a "real school" for a year to get "caught up" is the right thing to do, and whether or not the schools are christian "schools" have nothing to do with getting these kids "back on track." :rolleyes:

(it is best to actually use air quotes when reading the above statement)
 
Having lived in the south, any mocking or derision heaped upon the south for their collective stupidity will never be enough...
 
If jeebus gives his dinosaur a bj, is that bestiality or that worse thing TEH GAY???!!!???
(signed) Worried Kluxxer in XXXXXX Parish
 
Y'know, I've been trying to trace that KKK quote but I can't find any original source for it -- not even what exact book it's supposed to be from.
 
How can state money be used for christian schools? Is anyone challenging the legality of this?

I know In AZ property tax pays for schools and as someone without children I have no issue with paying for schools in my community anyway but not if they are teaching that nessie is real and Jesus rode a dinosaur to work.

The stated intent of the vouchers is so that students attending failing schools can partially or wholly pay for a private school. When I taught in Baton Rouge, the vast majority of those who were able to afford it sent their kids to private schools because the public schools were, by and large, wretched. To be clear, there were exceptions, but it was pretty bad generally speaking. The parents send the kids to a private school, which generally means a religious school, and the government pays a share of the tuition.

I'm of two minds about the idea.

I really don't like the fact that rather than trying to improve public education they are simply shipping out any kid whose parents are sufficiently motivated to participate in their child's education. At the same time they are pretending that the difference between these schools is based on the teachers and their methods rather than the very very obvious differences in the student populations. I also don't like the fact that the some of the schools that are being funded have highly suspect curricula. I also understand that there is a effort, explicitly stated by a number of prominent people on the right, to destroy public K-12 education in the US, and it is one of the most reprehensible things I've seen them advocate.

On the other hand, I know for a fact that if I were still in Baton Rouge, my daughters would be enrolled in a private school, and I understand the desire of parents to get their kids out of the schools that are a disaster now rather than waiting for them to get better. I also realize that for many families, this really wouldn't be an option without a program like this one.

I don't have a good solution for the problem, and I don't think that anyone does. Certainly, there is nothing that has been tried to date that worked, was sufficiently reasonable that there wasn't a huge political fight involved, and that could be spread to other locations.

In theory, the idea is not based on an attempt to promote religious schooling. An indication of whether that is the case in fact is clear from the response of legislators when an Islamic school applied to be included in the voucher program.

As an aside, for any residents of Baton Rouge, I would like to clearly acknowledge that there are a few very good public schools in the system. The problem is that there are also a great many that are simply awful. There's Baton Rouge High School with 100% pass rates on testing, but only 1.5 miles away is EBR Labratory Academy with barely 50% passing. The data on socioeconomic and racial divisions in the district are damning as well.
 
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How can state money be used for christian schools? Is anyone challenging the legality of this?
This is an issue in Scotland. The separation of Church and State has not yet been secured. Come the day! Meanwhile, from the Scottish Government website
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Education/Schools/FAQs
How many denominational schools are there? Scotland has 377 state-funded faith schools - 373 Catholic, one Jewish and three Episcopalian. These schools play an important part in education in Scotland. We believe it's important for parents and pupils to have the choice to attend a faith school, if they want to.
Additionally, religious instruction is given in the non-denominational state schools. But the religious environment here is not as crazy as in the USA, it must be admitted.
 
I don't have a good solution for the problem, and I don't think that anyone does. Certainly, there is nothing that has been tried to date that worked, was sufficiently reasonable that there wasn't a huge political fight involved, and that could be spread to other locations.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

The education problem is a systemic cultural problem -- whole communities of poor families that don't value education. Parents that don't teach their kids to value education and have no interest in supporting their kids' education or schools.

A school succeeds if and only if the students value their experience enough to work to succeed. Trying to drag kids into learning against their will simply doesn't work.

And the problem is self-perpetuating, because it's the kids with these attitudes who are stuck to become the poor parents in the same community during the next cycle. Parents and/or kids who care are the ones who find a way out.

Until we find some way to address this cultural problem, I don't think any fix for the infrastructure or logistics of education itself can work.
 
And yet, it seems that many countries do far, far better than the US, in terms of educating their kids in the basics of math and science.

IIRC, South Korea, Finland, Australia, and Singapore (just four examples) don't have anything like the sorts of challenges jasonpatterson describes. And in China - at least in the cities - the challenges have more to do with fostering creating thinking than motivating students to get a handle on calculus and English (for example).
 
And yet, it seems that many countries do far, far better than the US, in terms of educating their kids in the basics of math and science.

As I understand it, the difference isn't that our well-educated kids are worse off than their well-educated kids.

The difference is that we have a population of poorly-educated kids that they lack entirely.

This is consistent with what I was saying earlier -- there is a cultural problem because certain whole groups of Americans don't value or seriously participate in education.
 

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