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SCO whiners at it again

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I hate SCO.

http://www.linuxworld.com/2003/0310.barr.html

"The primary purpose of the GNU organization is to create free software based on valuable commercial software. The primary operating system advanced by GNU is Linux."


Grr.

SCO people think the whole Unix world revolves around them.
 
They think they can play the FUD game with IBM. They might get sued for patent infringement, I'm pretty sure IBM invented FUD back in its mainframe monopoly days.
 
Novell sold UNIX to SCO in the first place. According to Novell, no intellectual property rights whatsoever went along with the sale.

The whole thing's bogus.
 
anyone notice that about the time SCO decided to claim that linux was illegal, microsoft took a licence out with SCO to use the unix routines in its own software?

just asking....

Actually, would be interesting to know what OS people on the jref board use. I am sure it would not be the typical 95% windoze, has it been polled?

Oh yeah, who owns BEos nowadays, it was a nice OS
 
arcticpenguin said:
They think they can play the FUD game with IBM. They might get sued for patent infringement, I'm pretty sure IBM invented FUD back in its mainframe monopoly days.

IBM were the kings of FUD. Something that looked pretty straight forward to us techy guys would be taken straight to the boardroom. They didn't muck around.

For example, we needed to get a new mainframe. Our main application was run under CICS, as single threaded, multi-user application. That is, it needed one fast CPU, multiple CPUs were'nt going to buy anything in terms of better response.

Amdahl had a box with a much faster CPU, and IBMs new machine was still waiting for release. So what they did was use their member on the company board to force through the purchase of an older multi-cpu machine that was no faster than the existing one for the core application.

We all liked it, though, as the extra CPUs were available for us time sharing developers.

When the core application users complained that response was no better after a multi-million dollar upgrade, we went for Amdahl the next time. Great machine, good company, excellent support.

They are gone now, as the IBM mainframe is now a specialist beast, rather than a common company IT infrastucture component.
 
IBM has issued a public statement saying that SCO's actions were an attempt to create fear uncertainty and doubt among IBM customers and the open source community. It reassured its customers, insisting that its Unix licence is good. 'IBM will continue to ship, support and develop AIX, which represents years of IBM innovation, hundreds of millions of dollars of investment and many patents. As always, IBM will stand behind our products and our customers,' it reads.


'From the outset, IBM's position on this lawsuit has been unequivocal. IBM's Unix licence is irrevocable, perpetual and fully paid up. It cannot be terminated. IBM will defend itself vigorously. This matter will be resolved in the normal legal process.'


SCO's CEO McBride had said in an earlier interview given to CRN that he expected IBM to 'blacken the Utah skies' with lawyers.
 
I was reading some posts on slashdot.org the other day and a lot of people there seem to think SCO's management wants IBM to buy SCO to avoid legal costs and public uncertainty. Hardly anyone at slashdot thinks SCO has a legitimate claim.

Maybe SCO management has a lot of stock options they want to exercise.
 
Captain_Snort said:


Actually, would be interesting to know what OS people on the jref board use. I am sure it would not be the typical 95% windoze, has it been polled?

Oh yeah, who owns BEos nowadays, it was a nice OS

I think the majority of people here are mature adults who've come to realize that the widespread availability of windows software is far more important than having a superior operating system.

Standards built upon standards.
 
rockoon said:


I think the majority of people here are mature adults who've come to realize that the widespread availability of windows software is far more important than having a superior operating system.

Standards built upon standards.
A bit presumptuous. I use mostly Linux and Unix. I know that shanek is big on Linux as well. I don't know percentages, why don't you throw up a poll?

Microsoft is an evil monopoly. This is not my opinion, it is the judgment of a court case. I will do my best not to support them.
 
rockoon said:

I think the majority of people here are mature adults who've come to realize that the widespread availability of windows software is far more important than having a superior operating system.

Well, since, apart from few games, I don't use any windows software, its availability is not at all important to me.

Emacs, LaTeX, mozilla, gimp, gcc, gv, mutt. That's about the extent of software that I need for work.
 
rockoon said:

I think the majority of people here are mature adults who've come to realize that the widespread availability of windows software is far more important than having a superior operating system.

I agree. At work I'm mostly unix because that's the best and I need it there. At home, why struggle against the rest of the world? I want to buy software in the same stores that everyone else does, I want to to be able to call into help desks if I need it, I want to understand the OS my relatives use so I can help them if I can, etc.

At home I used WINXP. It's ok, just ok.
 
Don't know about "mature adult", but there are only so many hours in the day. I have to stay familiar with MS software for work and it's just simpler to use it at home. So I'm afraid it's now XP for me.

So we sacrifice our principles on the altar of expediency.

Mind you, this doesn't have to mean supporting MS.
Assuredly, there are other ways...
 
I use Linux mostly because over the years I've used it I've found it to be much easier to use than Windows. Once it is set up it just works and works. It's better documented and it never surprises me. I boot Windows for some games though. Five machines, two dual boot, three Linux only. I've tried a bunch of the distros and have settled on Mandrake because it is easy and has tons of software. Most of the apps I see in stores for Windows have an equivelent app that comes with Mandrake.

Someone should do a poll. Still probably 95% Windows users here. My wild guess.
 
Palm acquired BeOS, and is apparently using the technology in it for a future version of the Palm OS.

Personally, I generally use Mac OS X for work, and I have Windows XP on my computer at home, which I primarily use for games and web browsing.

-Elektrix
 
At home I run Win2000. I love it, very stable for what I run it for (which includes many a game). In my opinion, if your running windows, it might as well be the 2000 variant's. Best mix of hardware/software compatability, with the security and stability of NT built in. At work I use a mix of NT 4 apps servers, and a Netware 5 fileserver, works great for me. Both have their ups and downs. Initially however, nothing pumped out apps as well as NT 4(even if it was not perfect). That has changed as the Linux/Unix variants seem to have vastly improved in this area. But people like what they know, and a large majority of the market is still windows based and will be for years to come. Things change quickly in IT, but not THAT quickly.

The thing that always makes me laugh in these Linux vs. Windows debates is both sides pull up examples of either OS working like ◊◊◊◊ on a particular system, or crashing and being unreliable. You'll find this with any OS. Use it on enough varying hardware configurations and you'll find several that for whatever reason trip up even the most robust of OS'. Its just a silly arguement IMO. Hate windows all you like, but you cannot deny that it strikes a very good measure between ease of use, reliability, hardware/software compatibility, marketing, and most importantly market share. Its not going away anytime soon. I don't think anyone here denies that Microsoft employs shady business practices out the wahzoo, but at the end of the day, that doesn't concern me much. If they have something that does the job, that's compatible with what's already running through my office, then whatever, I'll use it. And this is what MS correctly assumes, that most people don't want to be bothered switching up their entire suite of office software, which their familiar with, for one that "may" be better, or a networking platform that claims the same. Good ole market apathy :D. But hey, you do see more and more that starting to change, its always good to see.
 
voidx said:
At home I run Win2000. I love it....

I know it's always a temptation for a Windows user to turn any computer discussion into a Windows vs. whatever debate, but that's not the subject of this thread; we're talking about legal issues in the Unix world here. Feel free to jump in if you have something on-topic to say.

Others who have some point to make about Windows and your manliness, please do so in another thread.
 
WooBot said:


I know it's always a temptation for a Windows user to turn any computer discussion into a Windows vs. whatever debate, but that's not the subject of this thread; we're talking about legal issues in the Unix world here. Feel free to jump in if you have something on-topic to say.

Others who have some point to make about Windows and your manliness, please do so in another thread.

Whoa, why are you jumping down voidx's throat? Captain_Snort brought this up a number of posts above:

Actually, would be interesting to know what OS people on the jref board use

voidx was hardly the first person to post in response to this. Sure it's off the topic of the main thread....

-Freakzilla
 
Elektrix said:

Sure it's off the topic of the main thread....

-Freakzilla

So let's get back to it. This thread is not about Windows vs. anything; it is about Unix legal issues.
 
Oh gimme a break, heh I usually find it the other way around. But read back through the thread. It was hardly me that got it started off-topic. Other people started stating that they don't use windows at home or work. I simply stated that I do. Funny that you didn't call anyone else to task :rolleyes: .

Speaking of off-topic nice attempted shot at my manliness too :rolleyes: .
 
voidx said:
Oh gimme a break, heh I usually find it the other way around. But read back through the thread. It was hardly me that got it started off-topic. Other people started stating that they don't use windows at home or work. I simply stated that I do. Funny that you didn't call anyone else to task :rolleyes: .

Speaking of off-topic nice attempted shot at my manliness too :rolleyes: .

I was referring to Rockoon's post.

I felt that you were dragging the point totally off-topic and into the same old "I like Windows because" arguments, beyond where the posts were wandering already.

Enough argument please, let's get back on topic or get quiet.
 

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