Scientology's real scandals

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I have just begun to write a three part series of short essays on the real issues concerning the Church of Scientology.

The first highlights what sets Scientology apart from other religions and why the attitude of many atheists of having "bigger fish to fry" is simply an unreasonable position to take.

http://footbullet.net/2009/11/25/scientology-scandals/

The second discusses the injustices occuring within Scientology's Sea Org; awful living conditions, coerced abortion, punishment of members in penal colonies and so on

http://footbullet.net/2009/11/25/scientology-private-navy/

If somebody would please post the real links in this thread as I am unable to do so yet, that would be greatly appreciated.
 
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I think it is much more important to expose the way $cientology runs its business rather than its silly beliefs.

The way to treat such an organisation is to sanction it for its frauds and wrongful treatment of its adepts, as does the French judiciary.
 
Flo said:
I think it is much more important to expose the way $cientology runs its business rather than its silly beliefs.

The way to treat such an organisation is to sanction it for its frauds and wrongful treatment of its adepts, as does the French judiciary.
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I agree. Deal with the facts.
 
The inner sanctum of Scientology seems to be getting more exposure, in general, these days.

I wonder if this is decreasing membership rates. Anyone have numbers on that?

Of course, there is also a good reason to think membership rates could be increasing: New recruits are often not told they are about to join "Scientology", specifically, but any number of other front-group-names claiming to improve your personality. As these aliases grow in number, we could see an overall increase in membership, unfortunately.
 
Flo said:
I think it is much more important to expose the way $cientology runs its business rather than its silly beliefs.
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That would make a good fourth chapter, along with the others proposed in the OP. Expose everything about $cientology to the cold, hard light of public scrutiny.

Although the good would be a short chapter ... maybe a better fit as a footnote?
 
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Wowbagger said:
Have you seen how they run their business? It deserves a good couple of pages at the very least!
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Now that is a chapter I could contribute to.
Especially the part were they take off work to get audited and lie about it :mad:
 
The third will be dealing with how Scientology deals with the public and the government. Spreading lies via frontgroups to our schools and governments about industries they oppose, recruiting the weak and vulnerable through rehabilitation programs that are merely fronts, infiltrating the IRS to regain tax exemption in the US, litigating the Australian Tax Office and finally dealing with dissent through fair game and legal pressure.
 
Pantaz said:
Have you seen the series published by the St. Petersburg Times?
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Yes, I have. I'm fairly sure Aaron Saxton's story absolutely trumps that of Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder who have come out only to talk about physical abuse they witnessed at the highest levels yet these two were directly involved in the coercion of women to have abortions, false imprisonment of staff, cover-up of the death of Lisa McPherson (Marty admits his involvement in destroying evidence but doesn't expose any new details) and more atrocities that they simply are not talking about.

At least Aaron is being completely open about his own involvement.

Marty Rathbun, on the other hand, thinks the only problem with Scientology is David Miscavige and if Miscavige is overthrown and he himself got to run the show, he'd be able to "fix" all the problems by returning Scientology to standard Hubbard tech. The reality is, Hubbard's tech is the problem - if anyone executes it as stated, these problems will arise.
 
bef said:
Yes, I have. I'm fairly sure Aaron Saxton's story absolutely trumps that of Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder who have come out only to talk about physical abuse they witnessed at the highest levels yet these two were directly involved in the coercion of women to have abortions, false imprisonment of staff, cover-up of the death of Lisa McPherson (Marty admits his involvement in destroying evidence but doesn't expose any new details) and more atrocities that they simply are not talking about.

At least Aaron is being completely open about his own involvement.

Marty Rathbun, on the other hand, thinks the only problem with Scientology is David Miscavige and if Miscavige is overthrown and he himself got to run the show, he'd be able to "fix" all the problems by returning Scientology to standard Hubbard tech. The reality is, Hubbard's tech is the problem - if anyone executes it as stated, these problems will arise.
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Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder will only talk about things where the statute of limitations has expired, or they are guaranteed immunity.
They are not innocent victims and have much to answer for.

At least Aaron says he did bad things, takes some personal responsibility, and is providing valuable info to critics. And he says scientology is a scam. Marty still "believes" that Hubbard and the tech were fine, it is Miscavige that is the problem. All the abuses started with Hubbard....there is nothing redeeming about scientology. Any drills or minor self help workings in scientology can be found elsewhere.
 
Calculon said:
Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder will only talk about things where the statute of limitations has expired, or they are guaranteed immunity.
They are not innocent victims and have much to answer for.

At least Aaron says he did bad things, takes some personal responsibility, and is providing valuable info to critics. And he says scientology is a scam. Marty still "believes" that Hubbard and the tech were fine, it is Miscavige that is the problem. All the abuses started with Hubbard....there is nothing redeeming about scientology. Any drills or minor self help workings in scientology can be found elsewhere.
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I am in complete agreement with you.
 
bef said:
I am in complete agreement with you.
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(you already know the people I am writing about, the following is just my take on them)

I remember when Rinder was the spokesperson for scientology and seeing him on TV. He always appeared in control and one would feel worried about crossing him. Like a car salesman/press secretary/bulldog. He knows a lot, and did a lot.
I was actually surprised that he spoke out to the SP times. I got the impression from (unsubstantiated, but believable posts online) that scientology searched him out prior to the SP times articles were to come out, and were so heavy-handed with him to keep quiet, that rather than staying hidden like he had been, he decided to spill a few beans.

As an aside, I think Rinder was more effective as a spokesperson than the current one, Tommy Davis (son of Anne Archer).

To me, it is like comparing Ari Fleischer as the Bush Press Secretary to Scottie McClellan. But Rinder was at least smart enough that when he and Tommy Davis "blew" (left the Sea Org) in 2007 after their failed attempt to block the airing of a critical BBC show, he never returned, whereas Tommy was pulled back in. Haven't seen Tommy Davis in a few weeks...I wonder what he is up to.
 
I am very cynical of Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder. In the SP Times articles, neither really brought up any of the most important human rights abuses and problems of the Church which, even if they were gagged, blindfolded and had ear plugs in, they would've been well aware of.

Rathbun especially seems to want to overthrow Miscavige and claim his rightful place as COB and leader of the SO where he will restore the Church of Scientology to it's former glory. Rathbun needs to realise that the tech is ******** and worked just as effectively (read: not at all) under LRH as DM, and that if he seriously has an issue with the treatment of Scientologists then clearly striving to take up a posting in which he would have to, once again, execute clear policies which demand such treatment is not the right idea.
 
bef said:
I am very cynical of Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder. In the SP Times articles, neither really brought up any of the most important human rights abuses and problems of the Church which, even if they were gagged, blindfolded and had ear plugs in, they would've been well aware of.

Rathbun especially seems to want to overthrow Miscavige and claim his rightful place as COB and leader of the SO where he will restore the Church of Scientology to it's former glory. Rathbun needs to realise that the tech is ******** and worked just as effectively (read: not at all) under LRH as DM, and that if he seriously has an issue with the treatment of Scientologists then clearly striving to take up a posting in which he would have to, once again, execute clear policies which demand such treatment is not the right idea.
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Rathbun is critical of ex-scientologists who have thrown out the tech with Miscavige...or who disparage Hubbard. He certainly edits comments to his blog a lot. He had a lot of tentative support when he first gave his interview to the SP Times, but much of that has gone away. People are definitely paying attention to any moves he makes towards taking over the remainder of the empire. He says he has no desire to, but that remains to be seen.

I can see that exes sometimes go to the Freezone type groups because it is familiar, but it still has the woo. I really only talk to exes who made a complete break back to reality. They are no longer deluded as to what kind of person Hubbard really was.
 
Calculon said:
At least Aaron says he did bad things, takes some personal responsibility, and is providing valuable info to critics. And he says scientology is a scam. Marty still "believes" that Hubbard and the tech were fine, it is Miscavige that is the problem. All the abuses started with Hubbard....there is nothing redeeming about scientology. Any drills or minor self help workings in scientology can be found elsewhere.
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Do they have to wait for the arrival of the Twelfth Clear for the second coming of Xenu?










(This joke is an oblique reference to the factionalism and splitting that went on after The Prophet died, and the Shia Twelfth Imam/Mahdi deal).
 
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