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Scientology is dangerous!

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Yesterday, I interviewed a former Scientologist who spent several years in Scientology's dedicated paramilitary force, the Sea Org.

It's a long read, but for those of you who just think Scientology is just a harmless belief, worthy of mockery but not of serious attention; you really need to read this.

Aaron Saxton tells of his own involvement in coercing women to have abortions, illegally imprisoning staff, witnessing assaults and the enormous lengths the Church of Scientology will go to in order to stop members from leaving.

I can't post links because of the post-count restriction (fair enough), so if anyone could read the interview, and verify it's worthy of your attention, I'd really appreciate it if you could reply with a proper link: footbullet.net/2009/11/21/aarons-story/

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Thanks, lionking. I'd rather not go posting in a thread to do with a potential Senate inquiry when I am wanting to discuss an interview which sets forth real examples of the abuses within Scientology and is not confined to Australia.
 
I think fredcarr, JEFF's resident Scientology apologist, has been called back to the mother ship for some re-auditing as he seemed to get rather enturbulated toward the end of the previous Scientology thread here. So I'm not sure who will show up to tell us that what this suppressive person says is all lies.

The hope is that the bright light of reason will eventually cause the lunatic cult based on the insane LRon's ramblings to implode. One can hope.
 
As background you can read some of the threads that share the tag I just gave. There are heaps of them, so take your choice. The tag is located at the top of the page next to the word tag.

And Welcome to the forum. Feel free to browse any threads that you think are interesting. If you have anything to say, it is OK to make a post.
 
There are a number of interesting books out there. Bare Faced Messiah, A Piece Of Blue Sky, and the newly released Blown For Good.

Aaron Saxton's story does, in my opinion, cast a hell of a lot more light on what is truly important here though; not Hubbard's lies and pseudoscience, not the ridiculous beliefs but the human rights violations.

Anyone have any comments specifically about Aaron's allegations?
 
I still don't get how Scientology was able to be named and treated like a religion in some countries in the first place.
 
The Court Finds In Favor Of Xenu

Oliver said:
I still don't get how Scientology was able to be named and treated like a religion in some countries in the first place.
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Litigation mostly along with allegations of backdoor shenanigans.
 
bef said:
Yesterday, I interviewed a former Scientologist who spent several years in Scientology's dedicated paramilitary force, the Sea Org.
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In what sense of the word do you mean "paramilitary"? Do they have guns or other weapons? Are we going to wake up to some kind of Scientology jihad one of these days?

It's a long read, but for those of you who just think Scientology is just a harmless belief, worthy of mockery but not of serious attention; you really need to read this.

Aaron Saxton tells of his own involvement in coercing women to have abortions, illegally imprisoning staff, witnessing assaults and the enormous lengths the Church of Scientology will go to in order to stop members from leaving.
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It's pretty bad stuff, I agree. Do you think that Scientology is dangerous to non-Scientologists too? It's pretty obvious that it's dangerous to the people who get sucked in.
 
Puppycow said:
In what sense of the word do you mean "paramilitary"? Do they have guns or other weapons? Are we going to wake up to some kind of Scientology jihad one of these days?



It's pretty bad stuff, I agree. Do you think that Scientology is dangerous to non-Scientologists too? It's pretty obvious that it's dangerous to the people who get sucked in.
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I think paramilitary is a bit much. Some security gets weapons and fight training (like at Hemet). Most Sea Org do office work, and support services for other Sea Org. they have just given up their lives for scientology and clearing the planet. Most don't even get auditing anymore. There is no time, with working (I mean volunteering) 100+ hours a week. Marc Headley who just came out with the book Blown for Good was Sea Org. He says he never even read Dianetics. Ex-Sea Orgers tell of their fellow SO not even being clear, let alone OT (Xenu doesn't get mentioned until OTIII)

Scientology is not personally dangerous to me...but they have spent much time trying to gain influence in government, and that might affect me. But mainly, I think about all the kids raised in scientology who are recruited into the SO rather than pursue their own dreams. I see them every day.
 
Oliver said:
I still don't get how Scientology was able to be named and treated like a religion in some countries in the first place.
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I don't see how Scientology isn't a religion.

Like most religions they believe that the universe was created by god-like beings (Thetans). Like many eastern religions, they believe in reincarnation. Like some religions, such as Taoism, they spend their lives striving to achieve a heightened state of being due to their beliefs.

What exactly is the difference?
 
Brian-M said:
I don't see how Scientology isn't a religion.

Like most religions they believe that the universe was created by god-like beings (Thetans). Like many eastern religions, they believe in reincarnation. Like some religions, such as Taoism, they spend their lives striving to achieve a heightened state of being due to their beliefs.

What exactly is the difference?
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Well, it is a money making scam...more so than other "religions".
And the vast majority of scientologists NEVER hear about Xenu, who is an underpinning of the belief. It costs a lot of money to get to that level.
 
Brian-M said:
I don't see how Scientology isn't a religion.

Like most religions they believe that the universe was created by god-like beings (Thetans). Like many eastern religions, they believe in reincarnation. Like some religions, such as Taoism, they spend their lives striving to achieve a heightened state of being due to their beliefs.

What exactly is the difference?
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Well, that's a convincing difference, for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scient...Ron_Hubbard_and_starting_a_religion_for_money
 
So why would a country allow to name and treat a "rip off company" as a religion in the first place? That's ****ing stupid to begin with, isn't it?
 
Brian-M said:
I've recently read Bare Faced Messiah by Russell Miller (the L. Ron Hubbard biography the church of Scientology tried to suppress). Fascinating stuff.
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Yes that's a good book. If I recall correctly, isn't it described therein how if you added up all Hubbard's claims of years of education, excursions, adventure travels etc, he'd have to have been 60 years old at the time (and this was voiced during, a speech of Hubbard's, by someone in the audience, when Hubbard was half that age)?
 
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