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Scientific publishing

aserboy

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First off, I am new to the JREF forums, and I probably won't be that active. However, I wish to make a small difference and am looking for a way to get some group action started.

The problem is the scientific publishing behemoth Elsevier. They publish a huge range of mostly low impact scientific journals with just enough cream to make their bulk subscription a necessary cost saving to universities. Amongst the "peer reviewed" scientific journals lurking in your local university, you will find the Journal of Homeopathy.

That is bad, but it gets worse. The Journal of Homeopathy is at least recognizable as having exactly the same content as the Journal of Complete and Utter Bollocks. Unfortunately, they also publish Chaos, Solitons and Fractals, which looks like (and may well be) a respectable peer reviewed journal. Except that it has a numerology guy as editor and chief, and he has managed to get 300 articles of the most dreadful nonsense into Chaos, Solitons and Fractals.

So, what to do?

My suggestion is that we make sure that the internet is swarming with criticism of Elsevier, the rubbish journals, poor editor choices, and bulk subscription policy. I happen to write for the science blog at Ars Technica, and would like to propose that all the science bloggers we can get on board write an article critical of Elsevier, to appear on the same day and linking each other.

My proposed date is Thursday 20th November.

In the end, I would like the story picked up by the main scientific news publishers so that Elsevier feels that it must respond.

As a scientific publisher Elsevier lives by impact factor, so I also suggest that the scientists amongst us, wherever possible, do not cite work published in Elsevier journals and submit your work to the journals of other publishers.

Why am I posting here?

Contacting the bigger scientific blogs is difficult. The authors get a lot of spam and nonsense emailed to them everyday. However, some of them read these forums (Hi Phil), and other forum member may know bloggers and popular authors such as PZ Myers, Steve Mirsky, and Lawrence Kraus personally and be able to pass on the message more effectively.

So, if you feel able to help out, either by writing an article, or contacting bloggers. Please do so.

Also, it would help if you posted here so that authors don't get a deluge of emails :)

Chris Lee
 
How remarkably opportune. Back in July Homeopathy published a `paper' to which I could not resist reacting. My letter will appear in the January issue, with a response from the original authors. Not exactly a rapid response journal! What particularly irritates me is that this is called a Science Direct journal, when there is no science in it.

Realistically, publishing is such big business that I can't see Elsevier taking the slightest notice of such a protest, however extensive. We now have the BMJ launching an acupuncture journal - how are the mighty fallen. But we'll have a go anyway - I'm in. Link to my blog is below. I'm not by any means a daily poster but I'll make this one a date.
 
Elsevier journals

Good idea. I'm getting fed up with commercial publishers subverting the efforts of those of us who are trying to spread a bit of common sense.

It's new for the BMJ Group, but Elsevier have been doing it for a long time (and not just quack medicine).
 
How remarkably opportune. Back in July Homeopathy published a `paper' to which I could not resist reacting. My letter will appear in the January issue, with a response from the original authors. Not exactly a rapid response journal! What particularly irritates me is that this is called a Science Direct journal, when there is no science in it.

Realistically, publishing is such big business that I can't see Elsevier taking the slightest notice of such a protest, however extensive. We now have the BMJ launching an acupuncture journal - how are the mighty fallen. But we'll have a go anyway - I'm in. Link to my blog is below. I'm not by any means a daily poster but I'll make this one a date.
Yeah, we ripped into one of the "special issues" a while ago (google "site:arstechnica.com homeopathy). But it takes more than a single (small) voice to make a difference
 
I'm not a scientist so can't really help, but welcome aserboy, and great first thread. I hope you do become an active member.
 
I passed along your OP to the science bloggers I have emails for: Harriet Hall, Steve Novella, PZ Myers, Phil Plait, Orac and Richard from Skeptico (who also participates here in the forum).
 
I'm in.

This is actually quite convenient timing: I was going to take a brief blogging break and then write about the Chaos, Solitons and Fractals case when I got back. A protest date of the 20th sounds just about right!
 
The Chaos, Solitons and Fractals story is new to me. Can you give more details?

I vaguely remember looking at a couple of paper in this journal about seven or eight years ago. These were decent papers. I am aware that it is quite possible to have a situation where a journal have some legit paper and some 'weird' ones. Anyway, I am just curious.
 
First off, I am new to the JREF forums, and I probably won't be that active. However, I wish to make a small difference and am looking for a way to get some group action started.

The problem is the scientific publishing behemoth Elsevier. They publish a huge range of mostly low impact scientific journals with just enough cream to make their bulk subscription a necessary cost saving to universities. Amongst the "peer reviewed" scientific journals lurking in your local university, you will find the Journal of Homeopathy.

Nope. My Uni acess did not give me access to the Journal of Homeopathy.
 
Nope. My Uni acess did not give me access to the Journal of Homeopathy.

Same here - for two universities and one academic hospital

Do you have any further info re: the Elsevier/Science direct bundles?
 
The Chaos, Solitons and Fractals story is new to me. Can you give more details?

I vaguely remember looking at a couple of paper in this journal about seven or eight years ago. These were decent papers. I am aware that it is quite possible to have a situation where a journal have some legit paper and some 'weird' ones. Anyway, I am just curious.

I am not allowed to post urls... but. If you go over the scienceblogs and visit the blog of the quantum pontiff you will find a link there to a utexas site with more details. A bit indirect, but far easier than describing the utexas url.
 
Same here - for two universities and one academic hospital

Do you have any further info re: the Elsevier/Science direct bundles?

The following is an url with an example from Cornell in 2004 (they cancelled their bundle subscription). The dots are replaced by + signs

www+news+cornell+edu/Chronicle/03/12.11.03/CUL_Elsevier+html

It doesn't give exact details but it is clear that Elsevier was charging a huge amount of money for their journals. But, if you need to access more than a few of their journals then the individual subscription fees are too high to justify and you end up with the bundle to make it seem like good value. After that, you are stuck with the idiotic stuff
 
Oh my!!!

One of the comments of the blogs echoes my first thought:
Any chance this guy is a reverse Sokal?
Yes, I am often cynical.

EDIT: This is much better then the stuff we get in the conspiracy forums these days. I must admit to be genuinely shocked.
 
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If you are taking part, can you make sure that you place a link to the blog post in this thread before it goes live so that we can all link each other?
 

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