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Russian communists hate jews

moon1969

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So how come so many communists in Russia hate jews? If communism is a jewish conspiracy than how come communists in Russia are anti-zionist or anti-ZOG? Why do communists in Russia talk the same way nazis do? :confused: Many communists I have talked to also claim that there is a zionist conspiracy in the word but doesn"t the nazis say the same thing? :confused:
 
I don't know why Russians hate Jews - or if they actually do. But if you start 37 threads about it as well, we probably will find out. :D
 
You might want to review a couple of your assumptions there. And be less racist.
 
Russians have a solid tradition of hating Jews. It's familiar enough to be the subject of the only ever American musical set in Russia.

Soon I'll be a stranger in a strange new place
Searching for an old familiar face
From Anatevka
I belong to Anatevka
Tumbledown, workaday Anatevka
Dear little village
Little town of mine

It's just a place. Our forefathers have been forced out of many, many places at a moment's notice. Maybe that's why we always wear our hats.
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It has little to do with communism - Russia has a long history of anti-Semitism. The protocols of Zion, the Pale and the Pogroms were artefacts of Imperial Orthodox Christian Russia. The communists merely inherited an existing antipathy.
 
Er, correct, but for goodness' sake, moon1969, why do you think ANYBODY on this forum SUPPORTS communism, or Russia's attack on Finland?

None to my knowledge do. We all, I think, agree with you that communism is a bad system that had failed and was evil, and that Russian agression against Finland (past or future) is a bad thing.

You're preaching to the choir here.
 
We all, I think, agree with you that communism is a bad system that had failed and was evil,
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Communism has never even been implemented, you can't exactly say that it was evil. Many countries who claimed communism was there goal were going through socialism.

Second, you can't really say that it was evil because it is a belief system with decent goals. It is no worse than religion.
 
Skeptic said:
Er, correct, but for goodness' sake, moon1969, why do you think ANYBODY on this forum SUPPORTS communism, or Russia's attack on Finland?

None to my knowledge do. We all, I think, agree with you that communism is a bad system that had failed and was evil, and that Russian agression against Finland (past or future) is a bad thing.

You're preaching to the choir here.
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he believes that all communists were jews and all jews are communists.
 
as far as I read, most Jews gave up on Communism and the USSR after the Molotov-Rippentrof Pact.
 
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Communism has never even been implemented, you can't exactly say that it was evil.
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This is the "no true Scotsman" fallacy: after pointing out that every single communist country was hell on earth, the reply is that they weren't REALLY communist, so it isn't communism's fault.
 
Well, let's look at the big picture:

It makes me wonder what would happen to you Russia would attack Finland like it did in 1939? because you would refuse to be evacuate. NOT THIS TIME. This is 2009 and not 1939. 70 years since the Winter War began.

I suppose it would depend if you were jewish.

Russian Red Army killed something like 50 finnish jews during the Winter War and Continuation War. I bet people like Max Jakobson and Ben Zyskowicz will never forgive the russians. Also 100 finnish gypsies who served on both wars were murdered by the russian Red Army. So should Russia pay any compensation to the victims. Or is it that because of those finnish jews and gypsies who served with nazi soldiers? Finnish jews are the best jews in the world and Russia should indeed by compensation to Finland and the relatives of those victims. FDR never declared a war against Finland.

How dare the russians call finnish jews and gypsies who served during WW2 as nazis? By the way your president Risto Ryti was a freemason and so was general Paavo Talvela. So why do the americans believe the russian propaganda that Finland was somekind of an evil Nazi State during WW2? Since when did a Nazi state have a freemason like Risto Ryti as president?

What if Russia tries something like the Winter War again? Seeing what Russia did to Chechnya and than the events in Georgia. Georgia attacked South Ossetia but Russia invaded areas from Georgia that are no where near South Ossetia. How come Putin supports Iran and Syria? Winter War was not a joke.

Stalin attacked a small nation. The brother of your grandfather died in the Winter War. Your great grandmother was evacuated from Karelia. Yeah the russians caused alot of pain to Finland during the Winter War and yet when WW2 ended Finland had to pay 300 million dollars to Russia. Maybe nothing would have happend if Russia would have not started the Winter War? Well yes dictator Stalin was very evil.

Just look at what russians did to Chechnya. Finland wants no trouble with Russia and just wants to live in peace. But some how I think that many russians are racist against finns and estonians.

Maybe it has to do with international influences. North Korea is supported by China and Russia. It is ashame what China and Russia supports what happens in North Korea.

I mean, Stalin was an anti-semite? Oh really. So why did Jakub Berman, Salomon Morel and Ilya Ehrenburg all work for Stalin and all of them were jewish stalinists. Stalin did not hate jews. Stalin was good friends with Lazar Kaganovich. Soviet Union supported Israel.

It's a tough call. Especially when you consider what happend after that. Red Army raped over 2 million german women. So do jews think that Ilya Ehrenburg was a good guy and those german women deserved it? Read a book called An Eye for an Eye: The Untold Story of Jewish Revenge Against Germans in 1945 written by a jew John Sack. Oh how about Operation Keelhaul and Red Army raping 2 million german women.

Maybe that matters. I suppose it depends. Are you a Karl Marx fan? Do you want the dictatorship of the proletariat? because I personally don"t like people who admire Joseph Stalin, the Soviet Union or any form of communism. Tell you what move to Cuba or North Korea then see if you still are a Karl Marx fan.

It might go back to the fact that it was the Soviet Union who helped Saddam. Saddam was a secular sunni muslim so he really doesn"t sound like somebody who was anti-communist.

Their deceptive nature can be seen in their naval history. Russians said that USS Toledo was there same time with the Kursk. Americans even admited that they spied on the russians but they said that the were not close to the kursk.

Anyway, back to the main thrust of my post:

Stalin always talked about how the zionists were out to get him with the capitalists. Adolf Hitler of course claimed the communism was somekind of a jewish conspiracy. Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin were both conspiracy theorists. Jews even got their own land called the Jewish Autonomous Oblast and Joseph Stalin gaved them that and created that.

I have heard some jews argument that Stalin arrested and jailed the wife of Vyacheslav Molotov because she was a jew. How ever there is no proof that Stalin arrested the wife of Vyacheslav Molotov because she was a jew and if Stalin hated jews so much then why nothing happend to his jewish henchman Lazar Kaganovich? Fact is that Joseph Stalin did not hate the jews like Adolf Hitler did. Stalin was not an anti-semite like Adolf Hitler was. Stalin was only paranoid about some so called zionist conspiracy but Stalin did not hate jews as a race.

Joseph Stalin killed a great uncle of a jew? Then how come you don"t hear movies or the media talking about what happend to the and all victims of Joseph Stalin are important no just the jews. Your grandfather lost his brother during the Winter War that Joseph Stalin started and your grandfather lost his home in Impilahti Karelia because of Stalin. So your grandfather is a goy and not as important as the jewish victims of Joseph Stalin?

That's absurd of course. But if I may leave that aside for a moment. Should we really be criticizing Russia?

After all, When war criminals like Henry Kissinger are free in the USA then USA have no right to criticize Russia. Besides Anatoly Chubais learned all the things from the West. USA hypocrisy is amazing. Garry Kasparov is a clown funded by Boris Berezovsky. Anyway look at all the other choices in Russia who could be leaders people like Gennady Zyuganov, Vladimir Zhirinovsky and Eduard Limonov. Putin might be a product of the Yeltsin group but atleast Putin sent that thieve Khodorkovsky to Siberia. Yukos was a stolen company. True Russia is still ruled by the former Yeltsin crew but things are better then they were when Boris Yeltsin was president.

Maybe religion has some effect.

Orthodox Church seems to be very strong in Russia and Medvedev and Putin call themselves devoted christians. Religion will never end but let just say that end of religion would be quicker if people in the world would respect separation of church and state. Separation of church and state is the key that would end all religions.
 
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he believes that all communists were jews and all jews are communists.
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That would make no sense.

This is the "no true Scotsman" fallacy: after pointing out that every single communist country was hell on earth, the reply is that they weren't REALLY communist, so it isn't communism's fault.
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What I'm saying, is that you cannot place blame on beliefs. Have you found anything to be perfect? It doesn't really matter what form of government is in place, what beliefs are implemented, things are not going to work out.
 
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