Rudy: No Fan of Democracy

[hgc]

Of course, living in New York, I already knew that. Afterall, he thought it was a great idea to forstall mayorial succession by election following 9/11, so that he could stay in charge.

Now he thinks that free speech should be severely limited. Check it out what he said to the NRA.

"Whether you agree with the war in Iraq or you don't; whether you agree with the surge or you don't; Democrats even came back from Iraq and said that he's having more success than anybody had thought.

"So to attack the man's integrity, and honesty, and decency, is in my view indecent. It passed a line that we should not allow American political organizations to pass."

Make no mistake about it. If you don't like the degradation of American democracy under Cheney, you really won't like President Giuliani.

 

[Oliver]

Of course, living in New York, I already knew that. Afterall, he thought it was a great idea to forstall mayorial succession by election following 9/11, so that he could stay in charge.

Now he thinks that free speech should be severely limited. Check it out what he said to the NRA.

Make no mistake about it. If you don't like the degradation of American democracy under Cheney, you really won't like President Giuliani.

I hope he gets president. He would be a good reason for Americans to finally
get off the couch and burn down Washington during the Revolution.

 

[plumjam]

Seems like an unpleasant man. Is it true his family were in the mafia?

 

[hgc]

I hope he gets president. He would be a good reason for Americans to finally
get off the couch and burn down Washington during the Revolution.

I wonder how many Germans said just that kind of thing in 1933. But then their worst case scenario burnt down the Reichstag himself.

 

[Tailgater]

Of course, living in New York, I already knew that. Afterall, he thought it was a great idea to forstall mayorial succession by election following 9/11, so that he could stay in charge.

Now he thinks that free speech should be severely limited. Check it out what he said to the NRA.




Make no mistake about it. If you don't like the degradation of American democracy under Cheney, you really won't like President Giuliani.

What else did he say? Did he say he wanted to outlaw such a thing or did he say that we shouldn't let it pass without condemning it (like congress)? You have the link?

LOL, asshat is a tag.

 

[Oliver]

I wonder how many Germans said just that kind of thing in 1933. But then their worst case scenario burnt down the Reichstag himself.

Well, the fallacy was that people thought Hitler IS the revolution
already after the economic depression. And unfortunately, it was
even true and led to a lot of blind trust.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Seems like an unpleasant man. Is it true his family were in the mafia?

*New Yawk gangster voice*

Mafia? Fuggedaboudit! Ain no such ting!

DR

 

[Tailgater]

Giuliani spokeswoman Maria Comella responds: "The Mayor was referring to the fact that democrats stood silent on an ad that crossed the line in disparaging an American hero."

In other words, the mayor isn't talking about government sanction of MoveOn.org, but the fact that the Democrats have allowed an attack on an American general by not condemning it.

I'm not a fan of RG, but I figured as much.

 

[marksman]

Giuliani is not affiliated with the Mafia.I'm not voting for him (also a NYer), but thatwasa pernicious rumor started because of a questionable affiliation his dad had, when Rudy was just a kid. Giuliani made his name prosecuting organized crime in NY.

When Dinkins beat Giuliani in their first mayoral race, one of Dinkins' cronies made the allegation. And even though DInkins quickly repudiated it, the accusation stuck, mostly because Rudy's last name ends with a vowel.

It's about as low a political blow as one could land, and it shames me that someone is making me defend the guy.

 

[Puppycow]

Rudy may not have mafia ties, but he is a piece of work.

If you want to know a little bit about him, and his third wife, I suggest this Vanity Fair article.

The mayor began to spend his weekends—accompanied, as the New York Post reported, by a detail of detectives, which may have cost taxpayers $3,000 a tryst—in Southampton, where Judith owned a condominium. Since he had until then always accounted for his weekends, says the incisive Giuliani biographer Wayne Barrett, "his press office started telling reporters, 'He's teaching Andrew how to play golf.' Now, Andrew's old enough to understand—he has to be aware that his father used him as a beard!"

At the annual Saint Patrick's Day Parade, in 2000, Judith marched right behind the mayor. She was by his side when he went to the hospital for prostate tests a month later and then learned he had cancer. When he decided to leave Hanover, in May, he made a public announcement—"Judith Nathan is a very, very fine person" were his words, "and I'm going to need her more now than maybe I did before." That was how his wife of 16 years discovered her marriage was over.

 

[marksman]

Let the character assassinations begin!

OJ is arrested, Hillary has a health care plan and sexual history is once again fair play in presidential politics. Viva the 90's!!!

 

[Charlie Monoxide]

Seems like an unpleasant man. Is it true his family were in the mafia?

That's a very racist question ...

Charlie (dissing Rudy will get you whacked) Monoxide

 

[Beerina]

Now he thinks that free speech should be severely limited.

I'm hardly going to be any politician's apologist, but when he said "It passed a line that we should not allow American political organizations to pass", it didn't necessarily mean government thugs should be hired to stop it. It could very well have meant merely that normal social pressures from the bully pulpit be used to ostracise them.

Which was done. Which I support.

Rudy: No Fan of Democracy

Ironically, social ostracism derives from everybody's right to freedom of association.

 

[JoeEllison]

This si such nonsense. That General Betray-Us isn't an "American hero", he's some suck-up yes man for the Bush Administration, and he SHOULD be mocked, at the least. He's a failure... and so are the politicians who come out in public and defend him, not on his record, but because as a soldier he should be above criticism?

Funny how those same idiots who say he shouldn't be attacked are lots of the same folks who sat by quietly while John Kerry's decorations were under attack, or even joined in. Clearly, only soldiers who support the Republicans are worthy of respect?

 

[Matteo Martini]

Seems like an unpleasant man. Is it true his family were in the mafia?

Of course.
All Italo-Americans are.

 

[Tailgater]

This si such nonsense. That General Betray-Us isn't an "American hero", he's some suck-up yes man for the Bush Administration, and he SHOULD be mocked, at the least. He's a failure... and so are the politicians who come out in public and defend him, not on his record, but because as a soldier he should be above criticism?

Funny how those same idiots who say he shouldn't be attacked are lots of the same folks who sat by quietly while John Kerry's decorations were under attack, or even joined in. Clearly, only soldiers who support the Republicans are worthy of respect?

Apples and Oranges comparison to begin with.
Dems sat back and did nothing (they could have condemned the ads in the same manner). I don't think enough Dems really had Kerrys back, and Kerry didn't do alot to help himself by showboating his military service.

I believe that any general put it GPs position would be considered a failure by many. The expectations of such a massive turnaround in one summer will always fall short.
What exactly did he fail?
What exactly are his responsibilites?
Are the failures based on other factors, but being dealt with?
I watched the report from beginning to end. Obviously, he wants to be positive about his own work. That makes him a suck-up? I thought this was the guy the Dems trusted too? With some of the political hardball questions thrown at him, he was about as straight up as he could be. I don't want us to be in Iraq, but I want someone who knows what they are doing, and doing the best they can. To portray him as a Bush cronie is as silly as Olivers Bush/Hitler comparisons.

Excuse me while I don't jump on the partisan bandwagon.

 

[Elind]

Of course, living in New York, I already knew that. Afterall, he thought it was a great idea to forstall mayorial succession by election following 9/11, so that he could stay in charge.

Now he thinks that free speech should be severely limited. Check it out what he said to the NRA.




Make no mistake about it. If you don't like the degradation of American democracy under Cheney, you really won't like President Giuliani.

Where do you get this free speech connection? There's another moronic thread on the same subject, also thinking that it's a violation of free speech to say that something is offensive, or dishonest, or pitiful, or worse.

Why don't you just defend the ad instead of making inane side attacks on those who thought it was straight out of the gutter, and suggesting that their rights to free speech should be restricted?

 

[hgc]

Where do you get this free speech connection? There's another moronic thread on the same subject, also thinking that it's a violation of free speech to say that something is offensive, or dishonest, or pitiful, or worse.

Why don't you just defend the ad instead of making inane side attacks on those who thought it was straight out of the gutter, and suggesting that their rights to free speech should be restricted?

You don't have to blow your stack just because someone poked a stick at Commander Rudy. I'm sure a big, tough, cross-dressing bossman like him can take the heat.

Again, for the semi-literate among us:

It passed a line that we should not allow American political organizations to pass.

 

[dudalb]

Apples and Oranges comparison to begin with.
Dems sat back and did nothing (they could have condemned the ads in the same manner). I don't think enough Dems really had Kerrys back, and Kerry didn't do alot to help himself by showboating his military service.

I believe that any general put it GPs position would be considered a failure by many. The expectations of such a massive turnaround in one summer will always fall short.
What exactly did he fail?
What exactly are his responsibilites?
Are the failures based on other factors, but being dealt with?
I watched the report from beginning to end. Obviously, he wants to be positive about his own work. That makes him a suck-up? I thought this was the guy the Dems trusted too? With some of the political hardball questions thrown at him, he was about as straight up as he could be. I don't want us to be in Iraq, but I want someone who knows what they are doing, and doing the best they can. To portray him as a Bush cronie is as silly as Olivers Bush/Hitler comparisons.

Excuse me while I don't jump on the partisan bandwagon.

Allow me to join you in refusing to jump on any politcal bandwagon.
And I get a sick feeling that,on both sides, 2008 will be the most disgusting election in recent history. It is like both parties are engaging in competion as to which can be the scummiest.

 

[dudalb]

It passed a line that we should not allow American political organizations to pass

A.Who Is We?
B.Would you be just at outraged if was a left leaning politican engaging in these pracatices?