Rome and The Space Shuttle

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The US standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number.

Why was that gauge used? Because that's the way they built them in England , and English expatriates built the US railroads.

Why did the English build them like that? Because the first rail lines
were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used.


Why did 'they' use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramway s used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing.

Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing? Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long distance roads in England , because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts.

So who built those old rutted roads? Imperial Rome built the first long distance roads in Europe (and England ) for their legions. The roads have been used ever since.

And the ruts in the roads? Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels. Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome , they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing.


Therefore the United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches is derived from the original specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot. Bureaucracies live for ever.

So the next time you are handed a Specification/ Procedure/ Process and wonder 'What horse's behind came up with it?' you may be exactly right.

Imperial Roman army chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the rear ends of two war horses. (Two horses' behinds.) Now, the twist to the story:

When you see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs.


The SRBs are made by Thiokol at their factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site.

The railroad line from the factory happens to run through a tunnel in the mountains, and the SRBs had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track, as you now know, is about as wide as two horses' behinds.

So, a major Space Shuttle design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was determined over two thousand years ago by the width of a horse's behind.
 
Snopes or no Snopes... the Imperial Roman Army never used war chariots.

4 feet 8.5 inches is a Roman measure, the passus or "pace", though.
 
The Snopes article actually supports the original "urban myth" rather than refuting it.

It explains how you'd expect all carts to have similar width, and then explains that humans don't like to change things so would have made train axles the same width as carts used to be.

In conclusion they claim:

"In other words there was nothing inevitable about a railroad gauge supposedly traceable to the size of wheel ruts in Imperial Rome."

Except the article just explained how there was.

Further, getting back to the origins, while it wasn't really about Roman chariots, it was about Romans. Romans did standardise axle widths of carts/chariots and everything else. In fact many Roman roads were pre-built with ruts to held keep carts on the road.

Interestingly, has anyone else come across snopes articles that really show an extreme lack of thorough argument? While most of it seems pretty robust, I've come across a few that resorted to logical fallacies to argue their case.

I don't think it had anything to do with animals though, and that's a bit of a red herring. The Roman biga, triga, and quadriga all had the same width axles.

The "horse's behind" is just a neat way of wrapping up the urban myth. Of course the width of a chariot or a cart of anything else has no bearing on the width of the animal pulling it whatsoever.

Here's an image of an Ancient Greek chariot and as you can see the axle is narrower that the width across the horses' rears, even assuming no effort was made to capture perspective.
 
Snopes or no Snopes... the Imperial Roman Army never used war chariots.

4 feet 8.5 inches is a Roman measure, the passus or "pace", though.


A passus is 1.62 yards which is 4ft 10.32 inches. It's 4.86 feet which might be where the mistake was made as 0.86 ft is not 8.6 inches but 10.32.

It's a difference of less than 2 inches, but hey... :)
 
The Snopes article actually supports the original "urban myth" rather than refuting it.

It explains how you'd expect all carts to have similar width, and then explains that humans don't like to change things so would have made train axles the same width as carts used to be.

In conclusion they claim:

"In other words there was nothing inevitable about a railroad gauge supposedly traceable to the size of wheel ruts in Imperial Rome."

Except the article just explained how there was.

I think that they mean that there was nothing inevitable about that particular standard becoming dominant.

In mainland Britain the Great Western Railway was built to a broader gauge; supposedly to allow heavier trains and a smoother ride. It took a long time for the GWR to be 'standardised'. Broad Gauge is still used in Ireland, Iberia, Russia, India, South Australia and Victoria.

Narrow gauge is used in South Africa, Japan, Queensland and New Zealand; I believe it was cheaper and easier to build in difficult terrain.

All of this makes it difficult to build an off the shelf model railway if you are interested in one of the non-standard railways.
 
A passus is 1.62 yards which is 4ft 10.32 inches. It's 4.86 feet which might be where the mistake was made as 0.86 ft is not 8.6 inches but 10.32.

It's a difference of less than 2 inches, but hey... :)

That´s inflation. I blame the Federal Reserve Bank!
 

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