Rick Perry refused to be bullied by the anti prison rape Gestapo!!!

[Unabogie]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rick-perry-flouts-anti-rape-texas-prison-law

Texas Gov. Rick Perry has decided to take another stand against the federal government. This time, his target is an anti-prison rape law.

“I will not sign your form and I will encourage my fellow governors to follow suit,” Perry wrote in a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder, the first governor to make such a move.

The “form” in question is a letter asking governors to say whether they comply with the sexual violence prevention guidelines of the 2003 federal Prison Rape Elimination Act (PREA), a law Congress passed unanimously and George W. Bush signed in 2003. Most of what the law has done so far is collect data on sexual victimization in prison, which had never been collected before. More recently, the Department of Justice has issued standards for prisons and jails, including limiting when guards of the opposite sex see prisoners naked or pat them down and prohibiting invasive searches of transgender prisoners.

“Governor Perry’s letter rejecting PREA is a disgraceful illustration of why Texas prisons are among the most violent in the country,” Lovisa Stannow, Executive Director of Just Detention International, said in a statement. The organization, which works on ending sexual abuse in prisons, said it had received more letters from Texan survivors of sexual violence than from any other state.

When will those liberals realize that the freedom to rape prisoners is like sweet nectar from the tree of liberty itself?

 

[shemp]

"Governor Perry... is a disgrace..."

That's all she really needed to say.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Well.. how else are prisoners supposed to pass the time?

 

[Unabogie]

Is conservatism a death cult?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Is conservatism a death cult?

Yes, but they only advocate for the death of "those people."

 

[Puppycow]

Is prison rape usually perpetrated by the guards?

 

[Ocelot]

Criminals getting away with rape, despite already being caught, convicted and imprisoned. A slamming indictment on the competence of any administrator elected to uphold law and order.

 

[turingtest]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rick-perry-flouts-anti-rape-texas-prison-law



When will those liberals realize that the freedom to rape prisoners is like sweet nectar from the tree of liberty itself?

I'm guessing Perry would describe this as a principled stand against federal overreach, or some such nonsense, but to me it sounds more like a knee-jerk response by him in line with your Cleek's Law- "Today’s conservatism is the opposite of what liberals want today, updated daily"- with the added corollary of "even it it's something they themselves voted unanimously for and signed into law." It's especially strange that Perry would be so adamantly against a law that was supported by such conservative activist groups as the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, Concerned Women for America, and James Dobson's Focus on the Family.

 

[Bikewer]

Here in almost-equally-enlightened Missouri, the august legislature is busily trying to pass legislation to prohibit the federal government from enforcing any of those damned firearms laws here in the state.
In the original drafts, any federal law-enforcement agents, FBI, ATF, whatever.... Would be subject to arrest for attempting to enforce any such federal regulations.
They have backed off slightly from this rather egregiously-unconstitutional approach, and now merely plan to allow such agents to be sued....

Our legislature, working hard to pass unconstitutional legislation.

"We're sending a message!" Yeah... That you're wasting my money....

 

[BobTheCoward]

I actually read the letter. I can't say I know if his arguments in the letter are meaningful, but the letter, if true, presents some valid criticism of the system that the article linked doesn't even remotely touch upon.

 

[Unabogie]

I actually read the letter. I can't say I know if his arguments in the letter are meaningful, but the letter, if true, presents some valid criticism of the system that the article linked doesn't even remotely touch upon.

The letter presents no corroboration for its assertions, and therefore sounds more like ad hoc rationalization for a refusal to follow guidelines that up until Obama, received broad support across all political persuasions.

See my sig, yet again.

 

[Brainster]

Wait a minute, the DOJ actually prohibited invasive searches of transgender prisoners, while not prohibiting them for other prisoners? That doesn't make any sense. Maybe the transgendered prisoners should have the right to choose the gender of the guard doing the search, but they should not get a free pass.

 

[newyorkguy]

The letter presents no corroboration for its assertions, and therefore sounds more like ad hoc rationalization for a refusal to follow guidelines that up until Obama, received broad support across all political persuasions.

What does Perry assert in the letter? In fairness to the Governor, he does say that Texas has a program to reduce sexual assaults. His main objection seems to be, restricting strip searches to same-sex officer/inmates would be difficult for Texas to do because of the large number of women corrections officers. That to restrict them from searching male prisoners (the majority of Texas inmates) would subject the women officers to job discrimination and might put Texas at risk of being sued for gender discrimination.

What I found unusual was that in his letter, his signature appears to be spelled out rather than written in script.

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It also appears to have possibly been written with a crayon.

 

[Unabogie]

Wait a minute, the DOJ actually prohibited invasive searches of transgender prisoners, while not prohibiting them for other prisoners? That doesn't make any sense. Maybe the transgendered prisoners should have the right to choose the gender of the guard doing the search, but they should not get a free pass.

Here are the actual standards.

http://www.prearesourcecenter.org/sites/default/files/library/preafinalstandardstype-lockups.pdf

(a) The lockup shall not conduct cross-gender strip searches or cross-gender visual body cavity
searches (meaning a search of the anal or genital opening) except in exigent circumstances or
when performed by medical practitioners.
(b) The lockup shall document all cross-gender strip searches and cross-gender visual body
cavity searches.
(c) The lockup shall implement policies and procedures that enable detainees to shower, perform
bodily functions, and change clothing without nonmedical staff of the opposite gender viewing

To which part of that do you have an objection?

ETA: It also says:

(d) The lockup shall not search or physically examine a transgender or intersex detainee for the
sole purpose of determining the detainee’s genital status. If the detainee’s genital status is
unknown, it may be determined during conversations with the detainee, by reviewing medical
records, or, if necessary, by learning that information as part of a broader medical examination
conducted in private by a medical practitioner.

Sounds oppressive and unfair, man!

 

[Minoosh]

“Governor Perry’s letter rejecting PREA is a disgraceful illustration of why Texas prisons are among the most violent in the country,” Lovisa Stannow, Executive Director of Just Detention International, said in a statement. The organization, which works on ending sexual abuse in prisons, said it had received more letters from Texan survivors of sexual violence than from any other state.

The merits of the measure aside, this woman's logic is pretty tortured. Perry's rejection illustrates why Texas prisoners are "among the most violent"? I'm not seeing how that follows. Plus, having received more complaints from Texas is less critical than the rate, surely. Texas is the country's second-most populous state.

 

[newyorkguy]

The merits of the measure aside, this woman's logic is pretty tortured. Perry's rejection illustrates why Texas prisoners are "among the most violent"?

Are you basing that merely on one statement by this woman in a news article? That her logic is "tortured?" I would imagine she has reasons for saying what she did. What are they, they're not outlined in that article.

 

[Minoosh]

Are you basing that merely on one statement by this woman in a news article? That her logic is "tortured?" I would imagine she has reasons for saying what she did. What are they, they're not outlined in that article.

“Governor Perry’s letter rejecting PREA is a disgraceful illustration of why Texas prisons are among the most violent in the country,”

I don't see how Perry's letter illustrates why Texas prisons are among the most violent in the country. Maybe it illustrates a callous attitude? Seriously, I don't understand what this sentence means.

The organization, which works on ending sexual abuse in prisons, said it had received more letters from Texan survivors of sexual violence than from any other state.

This isn't a quote, but presumably a journalist's paraphrase. Added context IMO would help. Texas has the largest prison population in the country, so the fact that it generates more complaints than any other state isn't necessarily meaningful. Does it follow that things are better in Wyoming because there are fewer complaints?

ETA: I dislike obviously spinned journalism, even when I think its heart is in the right place.

My rewrite would be:

Texas Gov. Rick Perry refuses to indicate whether he will comply with an anti-prison-rape law passed unanimously by Congress in 2003, and says he will discourage other states from cooperating.

 

[daredelvis]

Wait a minute, the DOJ actually prohibited invasive searches of transgender prisoners, while not prohibiting them for other prisoners? That doesn't make any sense. Maybe the transgendered prisoners should have the right to choose the gender of the guard doing the search, but they should not get a free pass.

Of curse it does not make any sense. That's because it is not true.

Here are the actual standards.

http://www.prearesourcecenter.org/sites/default/files/library/preafinalstandardstype-lockups.pdf



To which part of that do you have an objection?

ETA: It also says:



Sounds oppressive and unfair, man!

So is Brainster full of it with his unsupported claim, or is Rick Perry full of **** and Brainster just bought it hook line and sinker? I find it hard to believe anyone who could operate a computer would take anything that came out of Perry's mouth as fact, but some people are so blinded by ideology they manage to take that step.

Always go with Rick Perry is full of ****.

Daredelvis

 

[patchbunny]

What I found unusual was that in his letter, his signature appears to be spelled out rather than written in script.

You need to leave space between the letters for Jesus.

 

[Unabogie]

So is Brainster full of it with his unsupported claim

Brainster still has "Pajama Boy" as his avatar, which was an ad that the Obama people used with great success to not only hit the enrollment goal set by the CBO, but surpass it even after the exchange website needed so much work to get it working properly. It's considered to be some sort of great embarrassment for Obama, even though it worked perfectly.

This leads me to believe that skeptically challenging right wing memes is not something he does very often.