Respect for Marriage Act

d4m10n

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I have a slim, naïve hope that at least SOME Republicans are getting the impression they bit off more than the can chew / unleashed a sleeping giant / pick your metaphor by such a brazen, direct attack on Roe V. Wade* and are looking hard for ways to extend an olive branch to the "Left" in a way that absolutely doesn't look like that's what they are doing.

A slim, naive hope I said, nobody has to @ me.

* I long figured that even once in power Republicans would never fully gut Roe V. Wade since its such a useful political tool for them to have around and would focus more on that kind of childish "Oh we're totally not saying women can't get an abortion we're just saying abortions clinics are only open for 7 seconds on the 3rd Sunday of each month...." kind of stupid sheninigans they used to pull / try to pull.
 
Well I think most of society has evolved sufficiently enough to see this get through. But I am still not confident.
 
lionking said:
Well I think most of society has evolved sufficiently enough to see this get through. But I am still not confident.
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I haven't look at or crunched the numbers but I wouldn't be like super-shocked if abortion is "more popular" (as nebulous and inexact as that concept is in a political sense) than gay marriage.
 
d4m10n said:
Apparently there is some "possibility that there could be a narrow bipartisan path for the legislation to move ahead in the Senate and make its way to President Biden’s desk to be signed into law."
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They're lining up the football again already? Go for it, Chuck! You're sure to kick it this time!
 
JoeMorgue said:
I haven't look at or crunched the numbers but I wouldn't be like super-shocked if abortion is "more popular" (as nebulous and inexact as that concept is in a political sense) than gay marriage.
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Perhaps, but I still see the “killing babies” rhetoric as more polarising than “let’s let gays who love each other marry” rhetoric.
 
d4m10n said:
There is a good chance that the bill will falter, as it has on four previous occasions.

That said public opinion on the issue has shifted significantly, so who knows?
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Not surprising at all. It would take a massive misinformation campaign to reverse this consensus. The world has changed a lot in the last 20 years when it comes to gay marriage.
 
lionking said:
Not surprising at all. It would take a massive misinformation campaign to reverse this consensus. The world has changed a lot in the last 20 years when it comes to gay marriage.
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Worlds changed a lot more in the 50 years since Roe V. Wade.

Since when do the Republicans need popular consensus or when have they NOT used massive misinformation?

"This has no chance of failing dot dot dot unless Republicans act exactly like they always do" isn't very uplifting.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Worlds changed a lot more in the 50 years since Roe V. Wade.

Since when do the Republicans need popular consensus or when have they NOT used massive misinformation?

"This has no chance of failing dot dot dot unless Republicans act exactly like they always do" isn't very uplifting.
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Okay. I’m in Australia. There are fundy Christians here, but I’m not seeing them setting the agenda in any significant way. Looking at the opinion polls posted earlier it looks like the support for gay marriage is very widespread (except for a couple of states). Is the instinct to follow the Republican line sufficient to counter this trend? If so the US is royally ******.
 
lionking said:
Okay. I’m in Australia. There are fundy Christians here, but I’m not seeing them setting the agenda in any significant way. Looking at the opinion polls posted earlier it looks like the support for gay marriage is very widespread (except for a couple of states). Is the instinct to follow the Republican line sufficient to counter this trend? If so the US is royally ******.
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Because Australia has NOTHING that even vaguely compares to the American Religious Right.
 
d4m10n said:
Apparently there is some "possibility that there could be a narrow bipartisan path for the legislation to move ahead in the Senate and make its way to President Biden’s desk to be signed into law."
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I'm not seeing anywhere in the constitution where congress can make laws on marriage. Is this one of those things that has been interpreted into the constitution?
 
psionl0 said:
I'm not seeing anywhere in the constitution where congress can make laws on marriage. Is this one of those things that has been interpreted into the constitution?
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Perfect. So when Republicans outlaw gay marriage we can just ignore it since marriage isn't in the Constitution.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Because Australia has NOTHING that even vaguely compares to the American Religious Right.
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Ken Hamm, or was it Kent Hovind? Can't remember which, but the idiot that onws the Arc Experience "museum" in Kentucky is from Australia.

I don't know if that means the Ozzies threw him out or if he's a scout for the Australian fundamentalist loons...
 
psionl0 said:
I'm not seeing anywhere in the constitution where congress can make laws on marriage. Is this one of those things that has been interpreted into the constitution?
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Is this a joke? Do you see anywhere where they can make laws on drugs? On speed limits on roads? On seat belts or air bags or mercury or sealions?
 
wareyin said:
Ken Hamm, or was it Kent Hovind? Can't remember which, but the idiot that onws the Arc Experience "museum" in Kentucky is from Australia.
I don't know if that means the Ozzies threw him out or if he's a scout for the Australian fundamentalist loons...
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Yeah, but notice that the idiot from Australia is now in Kentucky, and not the other way round. That's what makes the difference.
 
wareyin said:
Ken Hamm, or was it Kent Hovind? Can't remember which, but the idiot that onws the Arc Experience "museum" in Kentucky is from Australia.

I don't know if that means the Ozzies threw him out or if he's a scout for the Australian fundamentalist loons...
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Look, we have a heap of fundamental Christians in positions of power. Our last Prime Minister was one. But as a society we are not wildly religious. Our recent census showed the majority had no religion.

There’s no hope gay marriage will be outlawed in Australia. With the public opinion in the US strongly supporting gay marriage, what is the solution? My guess to get stronger grass root support for Democratic candidates. Yes, easier said than done, but what is the laternative?
 
angrysoba said:
Yeah, but notice that the idiot from Australia is now in Kentucky, and not the other way round. That's what makes the difference.
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Right, but I don't know if he's an advance scout for the Ozzy fundie wackadoodle army, in preparation for an all out YEC dance off fight with the ones we already have here, or if the Ozzies chucked him out for being too wackadoodle for them.
 
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