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Religious freedoms

Questioninggeller

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I'm just wondering if these people really expect the public to believe this stuff, and if they believe it?

First, a neighborhood eatery was denied a liquor license because of its proximity to the church [Trinity United Methodist Church]. A concerned neighbor asked me if the New York state licensing law that prohibited liquor licenses for bars within 200 feet of a place of worship violated the constitutional separation of church and state.

Then, on July 12, Trinity United Methodist Church was busted for running an illegal nightclub. The church's punk rock concerts had upset many of my neighbors by drawing large crowds and playing loud music. My neighbors thought that a place collecting admission fees to hear bands like "Drown Retard Babies" was more akin to a nightclub than a house of worship. Albany Police Chief James Tuffey apparently agreed.

Now counsel for the church is calling for the case to be dismissed on the grounds of the constitutional protection of the free exercise of religion.

Source:The Times-Union August 3, 2006

A suburban Cleveland man [Phillip Distasio] accused of sexually assaulting nine disabled boys told a judge Wednesday that his apartment was a religious sanctuary where smoking marijuana and having sex with children are sacred rituals protected by civil rights laws.

The admitted pedophile offered a surprising defense Wednesday to 74 charges of rape, drugs and pandering obscenity to minors.

Source: NBC10.com August 3, 2006

Hovind is charged with failing to pay nearly $470,000 in federal income, Social Security and Medicare taxes for employees at his Creation Science Evangelism Enterprises/Ministry, including workers at Dinosaur Adventure Land.

He has argued his employees are missionaries and not subject to taxation.
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He believes evolution is a religion and says man did not evolve from dinosaurs but, rather, lived alongside them.

Source:PensacolaNewsJournal.com July, 28, 2006
 
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Perhaps some only believe it to the extent that they need to, to take advantage of profitable opportunities?
 
A suburban Cleveland man [Phillip Distasio] accused of sexually assaulting nine disabled boys told a judge Wednesday that his apartment was a religious sanctuary where smoking marijuana and having sex with children are sacred rituals protected by civil rights laws.

I wouldn't hold my breath. The SC long ago ruled that drug use as part of rituals was not constitutionally protected.

Of course, during prohibition, wine during Catholic mass was not prohibited, so testing that theory vs. a religion instead of just a cult* was never done (to say nothing about the differences in decades attitudes to this "living, breathing, changing document". :rolleyes: )


* Cult: A religion without any political power -- Ambrose Bierce
 
I wouldn't hold my breath. The SC long ago ruled that drug use as part of rituals was not constitutionally protected.

A state supreme court did, however:

Newsbrief: Utah Supreme Court Upholds Religious Peyote Use by Non-Indians 6/25/04
In a ruling Tuesday, the Utah Supreme Court unanimously held that members of the Native American Church can legally use peyote as part of their religion regardless of their race. Federal legislation dating from 1970 exempts Native American religious use of the hallucinogenic cactus from the Controlled Substances Act, which otherwise prohibits it. A Utah state law prohibiting peyote use incorporates the federal exemption. In its ruling Tuesday, the state's highest court held that the state law did not limit the religious exemption to members of federally registered tribes.
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But she warned the ruling was not a green light for every thrill-seeking white peyote eater to claim a religious exemption. "It isn't like if you and I wanted to go do some peyote we could form a church and go do some," she said. "I don't think just calling yourself a Native American Church would do it. There is a body of teaching and religious beliefs people recognize as being central to the Native American Church."

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/343/peyote.shtml

Also, there is this exception:

(Monday, Feb. 27, 2006)
Last week, in Gonzales v. O Centro Espirita Beneficente Uniao Do Vegetal, the Supreme Court held that U.S. members of a Brazilian-based Christian Spiritist Sect had a right to use a hallucinogenic tea called hoasca for religious purposes. The Court so ruled notwithstanding the fact that hoasca is a Schedule I substance with no medical or otherwise accepted use.

Crucial to the reasoning of the unanimous opinion, authored by Chief Justice Roberts, was the Court's determination that the government bore the burden of showing that permitting a religious exception to the prohibition would undermine compelling governmental objectives.

The Court's decision appears to indicate that the Justices are more receptive to claims of religious freedom now than they were just sixteen years ago, when they issued a landmark ruling in a case involving a different hallucinogenic drug--peyote--rejecting a claimed right to use the drug for religious purposes. [...] In the hoasca case, the Court formally left Smith intact as the constitutional rule. Yet, at the same time, the Court appeared to reject the core logic of Smith, as Justice Scalia explicated it. Thus, these issues will likely return to the Court before too long.

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20060227.html
 
I wouldn't hold my breath. The SC long ago ruled that drug use as part of rituals was not constitutionally protected.

I think he has a far better chance of getting the drug charges dismissed than the pedophilia. Religious or not, society tends to frown upon that sort of thing!

(Insert altar boy joke here)
 
I of course don't believe most drugs should even be illegal so I would support any right for churches or anyone else for that matter to use drugs for personal use.


However I absolutely oppose churches having the ability to circumvent laws simply because they are a church. That doesn't make any sense to me. Laws should be based on science and logic and they should apply to everyone regardless of religious preference.

I find it hypocritical that religions ask for "fair treatment" however also ask for exceptions to obeying the law.
 
Money makes the world go roun, the world go round, the world go round...

I was under the impression that the world "going round" had to do with the way it originally formed and the continuing inertia from that. I think money is more recent a creation than earth spin. It does motivate a small species running about on that rock though.
 
I was under the impression that the world "going round" had to do with the way it originally formed and the continuing inertia from that. I think money is more recent a creation than earth spin. It does motivate a small species running about on that rock though.

No. Remember those geologists that dug so deep they heard the screams of the damned coming from Hell? They recently discovered that the axis of the Earth is, in fact, a giant roll of nickels.
 

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