Reflexions. No offence please.

[Aster]

It’s probably easier for me to raise one million dollars in investment money ( IIIR project - International Institute for Ideomotor Research), than to win Randi's million dollar prize.

My views on the Randi project are revision. I suggest that Randi raises his million dollars with a million for every year that JREF does not elect a winner. (This would not make a difference to JREF, because supporting evidence suggests that the once impressive million dollars is not intended ever to be paid out.)

I wonder how mr. Randi would do, when ideomotorically being questioned and tested about his subconscious intent and sincere willingness to pay out this million dollar prize. I am also interested in a subconscious statement by mr. Randi in which he answers questions about his questionable belief in his own latent supernatural abilities and does he believe in something abstract as God.

Another suggestion I like to make is to competion for another prize of 1.1 million dollars serving those folks who come very close to the big sigar but fail; not suggesting therewith that the american dream will never to come true at JREF; The James Randi’s multimillion dollar prize for that bloke who shows works of super excellence in support of the supernatural and paranormal, personal experience. This way, the Randi institute would strive to tag a prize on the very best examples of delusion too, so nothing is lost and money is to be made.

I see JREF bridging two worlds, bringing two realities together as one. And that is what trance ideomotor consciousness is all about. Remember the 11:11 activation ? Remember the I AM presence ? Is presence ? ISIS presence ? Remember any of the initiations ? Of course not... You rather remain not conscious of something that you know exists, but deny. Skeptics are in denial. They wouldn't be skeptics if they weren't.

And laughing all the way to the bank, in the end James Randi will be a billionaire. Last thought : The truth of yesterday is no longer the truth of today. Todays truth can therefore not be expected to be true, as the truth of torrow is not far ahead. In fact, the truth that doesn't exist is (NOW). Truth of today, tested with evidence, is no longer a truth, just another paradigm. ‘Now’ is but a memorized part of a reality that once was, and tomorrow never comes, because it just cannot exist. The thought, the illusion, the simple fact of nothing, and its signature.

Rgds.,
Aster.

 

[Aster]

Ooouch!

Sorry, I didn't mean to start a new thread with this message.

Rgds.,
Aster.

 

[SFB]

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My views on the Randi project are revision. I suggest that Randi raises his million dollars with a million for every year that JREF does not elect a winner. (This would not make a difference to JREF, because supporting evidence suggests that the once impressive million dollars is not intended ever to be paid out.)

I wonder how mr. Randi would do, when ideomotorically being questioned and tested about his subconscious intent and sincere willingness to pay out this million dollar prize. I am also interested in a subconscious statement by mr. Randi in which he answers questions about his questionable belief in his own latent supernatural abilities and does he believe in something abstract as God.

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And laughing all the way to the bank, in the end James Randi will be a billionaire. Last thought : The truth of yesterday is no longer the truth of today. Todays truth can therefore not be expected to be true, as the truth of torrow is not far ahead. In fact, the truth that doesn't exist is (NOW). Truth of today, tested with evidence, is no longer a truth, just another paradigm. ‘Now’ is but a memorized part of a reality that once was, and tomorrow never comes, because it just cannot exist. The thought, the illusion, the simple fact of nothing, and its signature.

Rgds.,
Aster.

"Nothing's signature"????

Your post reveals your ignorance of how the process works. Why don't you read the procedures on the site? You might understand that he's not going to become a billionaire. The money's not his.

"I am also interested in a subconscious statement by mr. Randi in which he answers questions about his questionable belief in his own latent supernatural abilities and does he believe in something abstract as God."

Now that would be a great way to take his challenge. Prove to him he has supernatural abilities! Reveal the latent powers!

 

[Earthborn]

Aster, why start rambling now? I thought we were having quite a fruitful discussion?

My views on the Randi project are revision. I suggest that Randi raises his million dollars with a million for every year that JREF does not elect a winner. (This would not make a difference to JREF, because supporting evidence suggests that the once impressive million dollars is not intended ever to be paid out.)

You seem to argue that the money does not exist. What makes you say that? Why are you so sure of it?

I wonder how mr. Randi would do, when ideomotorically being questioned and tested about his subconscious intent and sincere willingness to pay out this million dollar prize.

I'm sorry, what is 'ideomotorical questioning' ?

I think Randi has alwyas been quite clear in that he does not intent to pay out the prize unless the rules of the challenge force him to do so: that is when someone actually shows paranormal abilities.

Another suggestion I like to make is to competion for another prize of 1.1 million dollars serving those folks who come very close to the big sigar but fail.

No people ever came close. In fact the tests are usually set up in such a way that even a small amount of paranormal ability could get a significant result and result in a winner. No one is ever required to perfom perfectly or even very good.

The only sitution I can think of when someone might get close to winning, is if this person uses such hard to detect fraud it is only found out at the last moments of the test. I don't think it is fair to give anyone a million dollars then.

Remember the 11:11 activation ? Remember the I AM presence ? Is presence ? ISIS presence ? Remember any of the initiations ? Of course not... You rather remain not conscious of something that you know exists, but deny. Skeptics are in denial. They wouldn't be skeptics if they weren't.

Instead of accusing people, why don't you try to enlighten us in these subjects? I don't remember these things because I never heard of them. If those things are evidence of anything, I want to know.

Don't assume people know exactly what you know and are just in denial.

And laughing all the way to the bank, in the end James Randi will be a billionaire.

As SFB already said: it is not Randi's own money. We do sometimes speak about 'Randi's Million' but that is technically incorrect. The money is not on his bankaccount, he does not get any dividents... It just sits there in the form of bonds and can only be used to pay someone following all the rules of the challenge and winning.
Randi did not pay it from his own pocket (except for 10000 dollars, wich is just 1% of the total). It came from an anonymous source who insisted that it would be unavaible to anyone except a challenge winner.

Apperently this source didn't trust Randi enough to just hand out the money.

Todays truth can therefore not be expected to be true, as the truth of torrow is not far ahead. In fact, the truth that doesn't exist is (NOW). Truth of today, tested with evidence, is no longer a truth, just another paradigm.

Yes, and science is designed with exactly that in mind. When scientists measure things, they always allow for a margin of error. That's because the devices and methods used to measure things are not perfect. It is possible that someone else invents a better way to measure things. When scientists form a conclusion it is usually something like: "According to our best measurements, the result is between 'this' and 'that' making 'so-and-so' hypothesis the most closest to reality."

Just imagine a simple example. Suppose a scientist from thousands of years ago tried to measure the shape of the Earth, and found no measurable curvature. Therefore he concludes that the Earth is probably flat. "But future measurements may be more accurate", he said, "and may find a curvature that is too small for my method to detect."

Later another guy manages to measure the how high the sun at noon at the same day in both Athens and Alexandria and concludes that the Earth is curved. He may have said: "The conclusion of [scientist 1] was correct within the accuracy of his methods. The Earth is far to flat to be measured in this way. However my experiment in both Athens and Alexandria indicates that there is a very small curvature not previously measurable by other methods. We can understand this very small curvature if we assume the Earth is a perfect sphere with a circumference of 22000 nautical miles, a size so unimaginably great that for almost all everday practical purposes the assumption of a flat Earth works equally well."

Much later some people find out the Earth is not a perfect sphere, but somewhat flattened at the poles. And later still they find out that it isn't a perfect flattened sphere, but that it has a few bumps...

See, this is how science works: every new truth is actually a refinement of the previous one. Although it is possible that some discovery can change a view of something very radically the earlier discoveries stay true within the margin of error allowed for them at the time.

 

[Psiload]

Aster wrote:

This way, the Randi institute would strive to tag a prize on the very best examples of delusion too, so nothing is lost and money is to be made.

If the million dollar prize really was for best delusion, this one would get my vote:

http://www.cybercomm.nl/~cyberspc/fire.html

Lens flare as a visit from a dead relative... that's a gem.

 

[zensidhe]

I wonder how mr. Randi would do, when ideomotorically being questioned and tested about his subconscious intent and sincere willingness to pay out this million dollar prize. I am also interested in a subconscious statement by mr. Randi in which he answers questions about his questionable belief in his own latent supernatural abilities and does he believe in something abstract as God.

Aster

Can you please elaborate on what you mean here? What is ideomotorical questioning? What does that mean? Can it be done over e-mail or better yet, through this message board?

When you refer to subconscious statements made by Mr. Randi, what are you referring to specifically? Are these statements he has made? Or you would like to hear him make?


Thanks.

 

[Aster]

Earthborn

What’s the problem with my post ?

You seem to argue that the money does not exist. What makes you say that? Why are you so sure of it?

The meaning of my communication is the response I get. I am absolutely sure that the money exists.

I'm sorry, what is 'ideomotorical questioning' ?

Ideomotor questioning. (LeCron)

Ideomotor questioning is a subset of autoquestioning, which is a set of methods and techniques for getting information directly from the subconscious mind. Often, ideomotor fingersignalling is used as one of these methods. (Erickson)

I think Randi has alwyas been quite clear in that he does not intent to pay out the prize unless the rules of the challenge force him to do so: that is when someone actually shows paranormal abilities.

Only after testing, which rules me out. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that Randi will pay out when that happens. And I precelebrate that in my own choice of words.

No people ever came close. In fact the tests are usually set up in such a way that even a small amount of paranormal ability could get a significant result and result in a winner. No one is ever required to perfom perfectly or even very good.

I agree. And if that is what Randi thinks, it justifies my words that the million dollars is not intended ever to be paid out. My intent is that Randi pays out and offer an idea or setting in which this can happen.

Instead of accusing people, why don't you try to enlighten us in these subjects? I don't remember these things because I never heard of them. If those things are evidence of anything, I want to know.

I am unaware of accusing anyone.
These are my own terms of conscious awareness.

A presence is something that IS.

IS-presence is the conscious awareness of something that IS.

ISIS-presence is the conscious awareness of being something that IS.

IAM-presence is the conscious awareness of I, of A, of M and of AM, its submodalities. I is Intelligentia, A is the word, M is Mazda or Merkabah.

As SFB already said: it is not Randi's own money. We do sometimes speak about 'Randi's Million' but that is technically incorrect. The money is not on his bankaccount, he does not get any dividents... It just sits there in the form of bonds and can only be used to pay someone following all the rules of the challenge and winning. Randi did not pay it from his own pocket (except for 10000 dollars, wich is just 1% of the total). It came from an anonymous source who insisted that it would be unavaible to anyone except a challenge winner.

I wrote my answer to SFB. Perhaps you haven’t read it. Again, I was not speaking about the million dollar prize money. I took the liberty to freely premeditate on mr. Randi getting rich from my proposal.

Yes, and science is designed with exactly that in mind. When scientists measure things, they always allow for a margin of error. That's because the devices and methods used to measure things are not perfect. It is possible that someone else invents a better way to measure things.

Hence, the paranormal experience I claim cannot be tested because there is no conclusive test available.

My friend Vladimir is occupied in that field. He created a device called Tetra for psychological consultation.

Just imagine a simple example <....>See, this is how science works: every new truth is actually a refinement of the previous one. Although it is possible that some discovery can change a view of something very radically the earlier discoveries stay true within the margin of error allowed for them at the time.

Very well explained.

What would be the most popular model of consciousness to you or amongst skeptics ?

Would you be prepared to further our discussion aan de hand van one of my ideomotor works ?

Rgds,
Aster.

 

[Aster]

Zensidhe

Can you please elaborate on what you mean here? What is ideomotorical questioning? What does that mean? Can it be done over e-mail or better yet, through this message board?

I explained about ideomotor questioning in my reply to Earthborn.

I suppose it can be done over the phone, however the inducer is not present other than verbally and auditive. This is perhaps too small a basis for communication. However, for selfconscious communication it seems sufficient. The subject remains consciously aware of the ideomotor process taking place and knows the answer to the questions asked and might be able to communicate a verbal representation of the answers to the inducer on the phone.

Over email or messageboard... you try it

Rgds.,
Aster.

 

[Aster]

Psiload

If the million dollar prize really was for best delusion, this one would get my vote:

We laugh about the people who proved that the world was flat. We make fun of peoples fantasies, presented as an expression of an experienced inner reality, and call that delusion.

I call it Art with a big A. A fantasy nevertheless ? Read on my friend. Like science, my conscious awareness is expanding because my creative spirit keeps me alive and well.

For you I have a suggestion. One day something may happen in your life that you can't explain. Next, you find the answer in the film, 'a clockwork orange'. You think: coincidence. But you will not be sure.

Rgds.,
Aster.

 

[zensidhe]

Re: Psiload

For you I have a suggestion. One day something may happen in your life that you can't explain. Next, you find the answer in the film, 'a clockwork orange'. You think: coincidence. But you will not be sure.

Rgds.,
Aster.

WOH. Are you saying that something is going to happen to him that he will be able to explain by watching 'A Clockwork Orange'?!?! Good Lord, what the h*ll could he possibly be in for? Keep your head down man!

 

[zensidhe]

Re: Earthborn

What’s the problem with my post ?

Hence, the paranormal experience I claim cannot be tested because there is no conclusive test available.

Oh... Earthborn, this really puts your efforts on the ropes.

My friend Vladimir is occupied in that field. He created a device called Tetra for psychological consultation.

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But don't despair. There seems to be hope yet. Aster, can you tell us more about this device called Tetra for psychological consultation? How's it work? What does it measure? Would it be possible for us to see it work some how?

 

[Psiload]

Re: Psiload

We laugh about the people who proved that the world was flat. We make fun of peoples fantasies, presented as an expression of an experienced inner reality, and call that delusion.

I call it Art with a big A. A fantasy nevertheless ? Read on my friend. Like science, my conscious awareness is expanding because my creative spirit keeps me alive and well.

For you I have a suggestion. One day something may happen in your life that you can't explain. Next, you find the answer in the film, 'a clockwork orange'. You think: coincidence. But you will not be sure.

Rgds.,
Aster.

I have suggestions for you too...

Sometimes a banana is just a banana.

Get over yourself.

 

[Aster]

Psiload

I have suggestions for you too...[Sometimes a banana is just a banana. Get over yourself./QUOTE]
The unpeeled banana seems to be just a banana. But what is a banana without the peel ? Most would say it is still a banana. Yet of the peel itself most would say it is the peel of the banana. And here we go, a banana is not just a banana. Now, what does the mind do with the visual and auditive representation of a simple banana ? It associates it with something completely different. To some it will just be the same banana. To others is may evoke thoughts and feelings of things, realities, however you call it, that have nothing to do with that same banana. That doesn't mean that a banana is not just a banana, but it does mean that a banana is also a lot more than just a banana.

Rgds.,
Aster.

 

[Psiload]

Re: Psiload

I have suggestions for you too...[Sometimes a banana is just a banana. Get over yourself./QUOTE]
The unpeeled banana seems to be just a banana. But what is a banana without the peel ? Most would say it is still a banana. Yet of the peel itself most would say it is the peel of the banana. And here we go, a banana is not just a banana. Now, what does the mind do with the visual and auditive representation of a simple banana ? It associates it with something completely different. To some it will just be the same banana. To others is may evoke thoughts and feelings of things, realities, however you call it, that have nothing to do with that same banana. That doesn't mean that a banana is not just a banana, but it does mean that a banana is also a lot more than just a banana.

Rgds.,
Aster.

Yeah, like when you put bread in a toaster, and toast pops out... but, like, where does the bread go?

Oy vey

 

[Aster]

Psiload

You've got it. Like the word banana and the suggestion banana. The word bread and the suggestion toast followed by the word toast and the suggestion bread.

Rgds.,
Aster.[

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[jema]

The JREF challange is very easy to win, if anyone actually had any of the claimed abilitiies it would be won instantly. In fact there would be no need of the challenge anyway as supernatural abilities would be a known truth.

All the challenge requires in the final analysis is that something be measurable by rational means. An incredibly simple concept that only produces hysterics like this thread because the assorted fakes and self deluded individuals cannot face it.

jema

 

[Psiload]

Re: Psiload

You've got it. Like the word banana and the suggestion banana. The word bread and the suggestion toast followed by the word toast and the suggestion bread.

Rgds.,
Aster.[

IMG]http://cybercomm.nl/~cyberspc/imaan.jpeg[/IMG]

I'll take it that your ideomotoric skills are not effective when it comes to detecting sarcasm.

I'll leave you with one more suggestion...

If you happen to be driving along in your car one day, and you come to a traffic signal... please don't concern yourself whether it is indicating actual red, or just a preconceived ideomotoric expression of the suggestion of the mirror image of a red banana... just hit the damned brakes.

 

[Aster]

Psiload

I'll take it that your ideomotoric skills are not effective when it comes to detecting sarcasm.

Your sarcasm was returned.
Thanks for a good laugh.

Rgds.,
Aster.

 

[Aster]

Jema

All the challenge requires in the final analysis is that something be measurable by rational means. An incredibly simple concept that only produces hysterics like this thread because the assorted fakes and self deluded individuals cannot face it.

Hysterics... this thread ? Pls. explain.
This thread is not set up to defend a claim at Randies million.
It is to receive intelligent comments from skeptics like you.

Rgds.,
Aster.

 

[Aster]

Zensidhe

Aster, can you tell us more about this device called Tetra for psychological consultation? How's it work? What does it measure? Would it be possible for us to see it work some how?

Yes, but Tetra has nothing to do with ideomotor effect so I prefer to send it to you over email or put it in a prive post on this website. Your choice.

Rgds.,
Aster.