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Question about crop circles

Seismosaurus

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Hi folks!

Having a discussion about crop circles, with myself arguing that they're all "fakes". The guy I'm talking to claims that "real" circles have bent stalks, and "fake" ones have broken stalks. Stalks cannot be bent by fakers, he says.

I've seen this claim made many times, and googling around all I find is claims that this is so. The skeptic side only seems to question the assertion, but I cannot find any actual proof that stalks can be bent rather than broken easily.

Myself, I presume it's a matter of the type of crop, the humidity, moisture in the soil, etc. But I'd like to have studies showing this, or better still photos/videos of stalks being bent.

Anybody know of any?
 
smartcooky said:
All crop circles are fakes... even the "fake" ones!
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No, all crop circles are real. They are real patterns made by people. There is no other kind.

Bent stalks or broken stalks depends on method used to flatten the plants and the condition of the plants (how ripe and dry are they).

My first statement may seem like nitpicking, but it is important: We should not allow people to maintain that there are real and fake patterns, because then we get into idle discussions about distinctions.

Crop circles exist and a multitude of documentation exists to show that people can and do make even the most complex ones. Those who want to attribute some crop circles to anything but people bear the burden of proof.

Hans
 
Wrong time of the year, or I'd walk into the field next to my house and film the easy process of bending wheat stalks. The guy is talking twaddle. Wheat dries out almost completely by the time of harvest (mid-late August), so any wheat having a board dragged over it in late August is likely to break, whereas any wheat (or barley, of course) having a board dragged over it ini May or June is going to just bend.

Ask your nit-wit adversary why there are never any crop circles in rape, or borrage, or beet, or sugar cane crops.
 
MikeG is on the money. I grew up with crops, it's all in the timing
 
MikeG said:
Wrong time of the year, or I'd walk into the field next to my house and film the easy process of bending wheat stalks.
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Is there film of this being done? If I just tell him it can be, he says "prove it".
 
Seismosaurus said:
Is there film of this being done? If I just tell him it can be, he says "prove it".
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As he should, of course. Neatly overlooking that the same logic suggests he should be proving that crop circles are made by aliens.

I don't know of any such film, but if you can wait until next summer........:D
 
It's up to him to prove that bent stalks = aliens. He made the extraordinary claim, ask to see his evidence.

For the record, not all crop circles are fakes, i.e. human-made. I've seen two circles, both in the same place on a salt marsh in the area, that were caused by wind cyclones, where wind swirls into an indentation in the headland to produce an almost perfect circle of flattened grass. Actually, one was almost perfect, the second one was pretty crappy, but it's the same effect.
 
MikeG said:
Wrong time of the year, or I'd walk into the field next to my house and film the easy process of bending wheat stalks. The guy is talking twaddle. Wheat dries out almost completely by the time of harvest (mid-late August), so any wheat having a board dragged over it in late August is likely to break, whereas any wheat (or barley, of course) having a board dragged over it ini May or June is going to just bend.

Ask your nit-wit adversary why there are never any crop circles in rape, or borrage, or beet, or sugar cane crops.
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For the record, I have seen a photograph of a crop circle in field of rape. It was a very basic round shape, not complex geometries. There are many recorded instances of circles in rape, just google.
 
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Seismosaurus said:
Is there film of this being done? If I just tell him it can be, he says "prove it".
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Well, explain "burden of proof" to him.

We know that crop circles can be and are being made by humans.

If he claims that some come by via other means, he must provide proof.

Hans
 
smartcooky said:
Hans, did you know that "facetious" (and its derivatives) is the only word in the English language that contains all the vowels in alphabetical order?
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Whatever. The point is that if you declare someting false, you are assuming that a true version exists.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
Whatever. The point is that if you declare someting false, you are assuming that a true version exists.

Hans
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Hans

When I said "All crop circles are fakes... even the 'fake' ones", I was being facetious.

Notwithstanding those rare occasions when weather events can cause circles on the ground such as those mentioned by baron earlier, we all know what we are talking about when we say "crop circle".

My point is that they are all man made. Most are deliberately made for the express purpose of fooling those deluded members of the human race who believe in ghostly spirits and alien visitation. In that sense, they are fake (as in a sham or a fraud) because they are not made by said spirits or aliens. Then there are those which are made by a few individuals for the purpose of mocking those who make crop circles. These are, in effect, fakes of the fakes.
 
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