Quantum Ignorance?

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I confess, I don't spend a lot of time in the science forum, even though I am a scientist (geologist) myself. I also confess I am a lazy bastige, and I don't want to have to wade through complex mathmatical theory.

So here is my request:

Could one (or some) of you physicist types give me a thumbnail sketch of quantum physics? (Sort of a Quantum Mechanics for Dummies) I know a few of the very basics, but not enough to discuss it intelligently. How does it account for matter appearing out of nothingness (or "quantum vaccuum")? What are the implications for the Big Bang? How does it affect us in everyday life?

Apologies if this has been covered here before, but I'm faced with trying to defend QM on some of the religion threads and not having sufficient firepower.

Thank you
 
I won't be of much help here. I've asked these questions here and elsewhere. Many people have helped out. What I find when it comes down to it is this: It can't be broken down to simple terms, otherwise everyone would already understand it. Sooner or later it comes down to a page full of equations that look like they were written by a martian.
If I started taking advanced math and science courses tomorrow, I bet I could get a decent handle on it in 5 or 6 years, but I don't think there is a shortcut.

You don't need QM to debate religion though.
 
I don't have the time right now, but I'll write something up in the morning unless I'm beaten to it. :p

If you haven't already, I'd strongly recommend reading Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time. IMHO it's one of the easier books to read on the subject, though I've often heard it characterized as the book which everybody owns, yet nobody has read.
 
Cecil said:
If you haven't already, I'd strongly recommend reading Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time. IMHO it's one of the easier books to read on the subject, though I've often heard it characterized as the book which everybody owns, yet nobody has read.

I defy anyone to get past chapter 7.;)

As an apology for lack of answer to the original question, I'd have to say that I did all the QM courses I could at degree level and passed them all with high marks. I still don't think I can explain it easily. I'm pretty sure I can't explain the quantum vacuum thing, not without doing a good deal of revision and further background reading.

I can do problems on electron wave functions in potential wells, quantum tunneling, the uncertainty principle and quantum theory of measurement. But don't ask me to actually explain it.

I'd agree with Brian. 5-6 years is probably what you'd need to really get to grips with QM.
 
Tricky, Schroedinger's Kittens and the Search for Reality by Gribbin is a good read on the (non-math) basics of QM.

The Elegant Universe by Green is an M-Theory discussion.

The God Particle by Lederman is also an interesting read.

just my 2cts



How do our physicists feel about these books being nothing but erroneous bs, as far as they go?
 
I've often wished for a simplified explanation, and some good ones have already been suggested.
But as some things go, I can't possible really comprehend it unless I can understand the underlying mathematics...
Wah.
 
Tricky said:
How does it affect us in everyday life?

Apologies if this has been covered here before, but I'm faced with trying to defend QM on some of the religion threads and not having sufficient firepower.

Thank you

Quantum mechanics is absolutely required to understand the transistor. The transistor wasn't simply stumbled upon, either, it was conciously invented based on a quantum mechanical understanding of matter, and there is no classical explanation for how transistors work. Computers are very much every-day examples of the success of quantum mechanics - so are LED's (an CD's and DVD's which use diode lasers). And although you don't need much quantum mechanics to make a cathode ray tube (monitors and TV's), you can only understand how they work (giving off specific ranges of color) in a quantum mechanics context. So there's some irony to arguing against quantum mechanics on a computer message board.
 
Tricky said:
I confess, I don't spend a lot of time in the science forum, even though I am a scientist (geologist) myself. I also confess I am a lazy bastige, and I don't want to have to wade through complex mathmatical theory.

So here is my request:

Could one (or some) of you physicist types give me a thumbnail sketch of quantum physics? (Sort of a Quantum Mechanics for Dummies) I know a few of the very basics, but not enough to discuss it intelligently. How does it account for matter appearing out of nothingness (or "quantum vaccuum")? What are the implications for the Big Bang? How does it affect us in everyday life?

Apologies if this has been covered here before, but I'm faced with trying to defend QM on some of the religion threads and not having sufficient firepower.

Thank you

Read In Search of Schrodinger 's Cat, Quantum Physics And Reality by John Gribbin! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_1/103-9852082-4498243?v=glance&s=books
 
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Ziggurat said:
Quantum mechanics is absolutely required to understand the transistor. The transistor wasn't simply stumbled upon, either, it was conciously invented based on a quantum mechanical understanding of matter, and there is no classical explanation for how transistors work.
Is it possible for you to give a simple-ish explanation of this? I remember learning about transistors and semi-conductors at school, and I thought I understood how they worked, and I didn't think anyone mentioned quantum mechanics during the explanation.

Rolfe.
 
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Rolfe said:
Is it possible for you to give a simple-ish explanation of this? I remember learning about transistors and semi-conductors at school, and I thought I understood how they worked, and I didn't think anyone mentioned quantum mechanics during the explanation.

Rolfe.

Some stuff about semi-conductor physics:
http://britneyspears.ac/lasers.htm

It doesn't cover quantum, but it does have pretty pictures:
 
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Rolfe said:
Is it possible for you to give a simple-ish explanation of this? I remember learning about transistors and semi-conductors at school, and I thought I understood how they worked, and I didn't think anyone mentioned quantum mechanics during the explanation.

Rolfe.

I'm in a bit of a rush at the moment, but the short answer is that the band theory of solids, which is what usual treatments of semiconductors (and many metals and insulators) is based on, is a completely quantum mechanical description of matter. It starts from a picture of the atom with descrete energy levels, which spread into bands when the atoms join together to form solids. Stuff like dispersion, etc. all come from the wave nature of electrons. Band gaps (a critical aspect of semiconductors) are a direct result of Fermi exclusion, the quantum mechanical principle that two electrons can't occupy the same state, and there is no classical analogue to this. Hell, single-atom electron energy levels cannot be understood without quantum mechanics. The Britney Spears semiconductor site is actually not a bad place to start. It doesn't seem to dwell on the fact that it's all quantum mechanics, but it is.

Perhaps the simplest experiment to wrap your head around that is deeply quantum mechanical is the Stern-Gerlach experiment showing quantization of spin. Should be plenty of stuff on Google about that.
 
Tricky said:
I confess, I don't spend a lot of time in the science forum, even though I am a scientist (geologist) myself. I also confess I am a lazy bastige, and I don't want to have to wade through complex mathmatical theory.

So here is my request:

Could one (or some) of you physicist types give me a thumbnail sketch of quantum physics? (Sort of a Quantum Mechanics for Dummies) I know a few of the very basics, but not enough to discuss it intelligently. How does it account for matter appearing out of nothingness (or "quantum vaccuum")? What are the implications for the Big Bang? How does it affect us in everyday life?

Apologies if this has been covered here before, but I'm faced with trying to defend QM on some of the religion threads and not having sufficient firepower.

Thank you

I have a bachelor's degree in physics and as such, I took a little bit of quantum mechanics in college, however, I do not claim to know everything about it, but I think I know enough to answer your question. By the way, if I make any errors, I would appreciate a correction and thanks in advance.

To proceed, what happens is that at the microscopic level things like electrons have a great deal of energy in relation to their mass, which is why weird things can happen to them such as electron being ejected from the nucleus of an atom resulting in 'Beta' radiation.

For example:
If one took a single grain of sand out of a dump truck full of sand, then no one would notice the difference in weight.
If one took a single grain of sand out a dump truck that a child would play with, then no one would notice the change in weight.
If one took a single grain of sand out a dump truck that an ant would play with, then the ant would probably notice the change in weight.
If one took a single grain of sand out a dump truck that a micro-organism would play with, then that organism would notice since the sand grain would probably constitute the entire load.

Now then as you may know, the nucleus of an atom is made up of protons and neutrons so one would think that it is impossible for an individual electron to overcome the attractive forces generated by the opposite charges without some sort of external force being applied. However, in some cases it is possible because the positive charges form a barrier that is high, but not infinitely wide and the electron can 'tunnel' through the barrier since its charge in relation to its mass is so very high. In this case, the slight variation in the electro-negativity of the nucleus of the atom as one moves through the periodic table is why one can see such a vast variation in the half-life of beta decay (from milliseconds to millions of years).

This tunneling effect can also occur with objects on the macroscopic level, but it is far less likely since the energy to mass ratio is so much lower. To illustrate, there was a homework problem that I did which involved a population of electrons at a fairly modest energy state tunneling through a solid barrier that was as wide as the diameter of an electron, and it worked out that given those conditions from minus infinite time to positive infinite time, 95% of these electrons would tunnel through that barrier.

On the other hand, there was a population of bowling balls surrounded by a barrier 9 cm wide (about one-fourth of there diameter) at room temperature, and it worked out that 1 in 10^300 of the bowling balls would tunnel through the barrier given those conditions from minus infinite time to positive infinite time. By the way, there is not material in the entire universe to make 10^300 bowling balls!

Another important point is that quantum mechanics makes very accurate predictions for populations or systems, but not individual particles. Again, going back to Beta decay, one can use quantum mechanics to predict with great accuracy what the half-life will be, but one cannot single out one nuclei and say when it will decay.

As for how the universe came into existence, I do not know if anyone has ever really answered that. The latest term I have heard is 'Quantum Fluxation' whereby all of the matter/energy of the universe was condensed down in to an object that was smaller than an electron then all of sudden 'bang!', this object exploded and the universe we know came into being.

I hope this helps!
 
QM won't help you out with the "Big Bang", that's where QM falls apart. General Relativity is much better at describing the Big Bang. String theory is looking like it could tie it all together, but still has some big hurdles to get over.

Or maybe it wasn't a big bang at all:
Before the Big Bang
 
A creation without a cause!

The whole universe came into existence from nothing by a quantum jump, and this "existence" expands through big bang according to Quantum Cosmology!
 
Hamish said:


I defy anyone to get past chapter 7.;)

As an apology for lack of answer to the original question, I'd have to say that I did all the QM courses I could at degree level and passed them all with high marks. I still don't think I can explain it easily. I'm pretty sure I can't explain the quantum vacuum thing, not without doing a good deal of revision and further background reading.

I can do problems on electron wave functions in potential wells, quantum tunneling, the uncertainty principle and quantum theory of measurement. But don't ask me to actually explain it.

I'd agree with Brian. 5-6 years is probably what you'd need to really get to grips with QM.

But "A Brief History of Time" is a good book...and it's not all that hard to follow if one concentrates! His follow up, "Black Holes and Baby Universes" is good, too.
 

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