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QAnon Strikes again

plague311

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plague311
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A complete and total dip **** bought into some QAnon asshattery, which then gave him the idea to drive down to Mexico (he lives in California, I believe Santa Barbara) and kill his 2 year old, and 10 month old children with a ******* spear gun. Though, I've read other articles that he also stabbed them multiple times with a wooden stake. I'm not sure which one is true.

I can't believe people are stupid enough to get duped by this ****. Anyway, he's going to go to a Mexican prison for life. Which isn't bound to be any fun, not that any prison is a hoot.

Coleman confessed to the FBI during an interview that he took his 2-year-old son and 10-month-old daughter to Rosarito, Mexico, where shot a "spear fishing gun" into their chests, according to an affidavit filed by an FBI agent with the criminal complaint.

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Coleman was detained at the border checkpoint, where during an interview with an FBI agent "he explained that he was enlightened by QAnon and Illuminati conspiracy theories and was receiving visions and signs revealing that his wife, A.C., possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children," according to the affidavit.
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I think the part where he was getting visions and signs is somewhat more relevant than the QAnon part. It sounds like he was pretty far down the paranoid schizophrenia slope, so to speak, and I'd say that that probably plays a much bigger role.

Of course, that doesn't change the fact that it's a damn tragedy.
 
Yes. I think QAnon beliefs are dangerous in other ways, but this seems like an association that a troubled person had, not a cause. Otherwise we're back to blaming Judas Priest for teenage suicide.

Is "serpent DNA" a part of actual QAnon stuff, or is just part of the muck from illuminati/general CT stuff?
 
The impression I got from the article was that the visions started AFTER he found QAnon and Illuminati CTs. I might be wrong though.

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Coleman spoke to authorities about being "enlightened by QAnon and Illuminati conspiracy theories," including that he had visions that his wife "possessed serpent DNA and had passed it onto his children," according to the affidavit.
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That read to me that they were intertwined.

He told authorities "he believed his children were going to grow into monsters so he had to kill them," the affidavit said, speaking about QAnon conspiracy theories and the belief that his wife passed along "serpent DNA."
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Read through the paperwork and it's pretty rough to read, but there's no more detail than the police reports. Just what I posted above.
 
In Mexico a prisoner depends fairly heavily on his family for any hint of luxury like cigs and better food.

From what I have seen, fortunately only from outside, is it's gang or cartel affiliation as to how one is accepted by the inmates.

This dude is utterly screwed.
 
Sounds like he was psycho and then embraced Q, rather than embraced Q then went psycho. Chicken and egg thing I suppose
 
His wife had no inclination or thoughts that he would harm his children, he wasn't acting differently at home, and no one seemed to think he was losing it.

I'd guess the serpent DNA was more illuminati than QAnon. I don't feel it would be a stretch to think that he was a bit off, and then upon discovering those theories it pushed him over the edge. If you're seeing scary things everywhere, someone telling you there's even more scary **** you don't know about, would probably be a fairly quick catalyst.
 
plague311 said:
The impression I got from the article was that the visions started AFTER he found QAnon and Illuminati CTs. I might be wrong though.
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Well, at least the ones on that topic. But my point is that reading nonsense can't actually produce hallucinations and delusions of reference, unless you are have some mental problems in the first place.
 
plague311 said:
His wife had no inclination or thoughts that he would harm his children, he wasn't acting differently at home, and no one seemed to think he was losing it.
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That's an important datapoint. If this person was psychotically delusional and his delusions centered around his wife and children he wouldn't have been able to hide it from his wife.

His youngest child was 10 months old which tells us that as recently as a year and a half ago he wasn't concerned about his wife passing evil DNA to his children. That's not enough time for the normal gradual onset of schizophrenia. "Rapid onset" is a thing but the behavioral change would be too drastic not to notice. I don't believe this was schizophrenia. This guy was recently convinced that his wife and children were a threat and understood that that "knowledge" had to be kept secret until he was able to act on it.

As for what convinced him, I wouldn't discount QAnon just because the basic QAnon lore doesn't involve "serpent DNA". Peripheral QAnon lore is ephemeral and liquid, and connections to other conspiracy theories often emerge, even if they're not universally-held by Q adherents - QAnon draws in believers of other conspiracy theories, who then incorporate QAnon elements into their original beliefs: if interest in David Icke's Illuminati serpent-men nonsense served as your particular portal into Qanon, then congratulations, you are now a Q-believer who thinks the satanic Democrat pedo-cult are also reptilians. And by now it's been well demonstrated that QAnon is adept at convincing people that their own loved ones are part of the evil conspiracy.
 
Actually, we don't know how sane he was some 10 months prior. We can take a guess that he didn't yet have the serpent DNA "visions", but we don't know if he had any other "visions" instead.
 
HansMustermann said:
Actually, we don't know how sane he was some 10 months prior. We can take a guess that he didn't yet have the serpent DNA "visions", but we don't know if he had any other "visions" instead.
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That's true, but we can also say that if he was having visions at that time, they didn't cause him to be violent. At the very least, they didn't cause him to act violently towards others.
 
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Actually, we don't know how sane he was some 10 months prior. We can take a guess that he didn't yet have the serpent DNA "visions", but we don't know if he had any other "visions" instead.
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I don't attach any significance to his use of the terms "visions" and "signs". People who have recently "got religion" will often start using religious vocabulary, referring to dreams or their religiously-relevant waking thought process or imaginings as "visions", and day-to-day observations that they attach religious significance to as "signs", as a way of reinforcing their religious significance. It means nothing. In practical terms they're just saying that they had a religiously-significant epiphany or realization, not that some kind of trippy movie suddenly played in front of their eyes.

The chance that a schizophrenic person has been having actual psychotic symptoms that are intense enough to make him homicidal and nobody noticed anything wrong with him at any point is small enough that I think it's dismissible until some actual proof of that emerges.
 
I haven't read or heard anything about him hearing voices or being told to do anything. Just visions about his wife's DNA apparently.
 
To be fair, suspecting women of consorting with serpents predates qanon and illuminati stuff. It may even predate recorded history.

I'll let myself out...
 
Checkmite said:
I don't attach any significance to his use of the terms "visions" and "signs". People who have recently "got religion" will often start using religious vocabulary, referring to dreams or their religiously-relevant waking thought process or imaginings as "visions", and day-to-day observations that they attach religious significance to as "signs", as a way of reinforcing their religious significance. It means nothing. In practical terms they're just saying that they had a religiously-significant epiphany or realization, not that some kind of trippy movie suddenly played in front of their eyes.

The chance that a schizophrenic person has been having actual psychotic symptoms that are intense enough to make him homicidal and nobody noticed anything wrong with him at any point is small enough that I think it's dismissible until some actual proof of that emerges.
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Actually, it can be damned hard to spot that someone is a paranoid schizophrenic, especially if you're not a trained mental health professional. We're not talking simple schizophrenia. The paranoid schizophrenic can actually be highly intelligent, and be well aware that they need to hide the fact that they see things or hear voices.

I'll offer my personal anecdote (again.)

As I may have mentioned before, I actually dated an otherwise smart girl and all, waay back, for quite a while, and the only difference from the average is that he seemed genuinely interested in historical ideas and legends about the occult. Didn't even seem like she actually believed in the occult, but just liked to talk about what some monk wrote about some alleged sorcerer or ghost or such. Well, I'm a history nerd myself, so, sure, I was more than happy to talk about whatever medieval legend she wanted to talk about.

Then out of the blue, she tells me that she's been seeing ghosts trying to steal her soul through her nose. Also, the result of all those talks about magic legends were that she was now firmly convinced that I'm some kind of powerful sorcerer that could banish those ghosts. In fact, now I learned that by now she was convinced I could see her ghosts too. And was actually annoyed that I don't banish them already.

I swear to FSM that, as far as I was concerned, this came totally out of the blue. Until that point I had NO hint whatsoever that she's actually seeing things, rather than just having a bit of a fascination with occult stories.

And this had gone on for a lot longer than 10 months. And I mean, I'm willing to admit that I can be as dense as the average anime protagonist at times, but I do have a pretty good memory. I'm pretty sure I'd have remembered if there had even been any mention that she even believes in that occult stuff, much less that she's actually seeing ghosts.

And it had been apparently going for a while even before we started dating. She had been quite good at not talking to anyone about it. (Well, at least not before establishing that they're a sorcerer, I guess :p)

Far as I know, she actually spent some quality time in a hospital some time after she dumped my muggle ass for actually sucking at sorcery. And apparently they had pills there that *ahem* exorcised her ghosts.

So yeah, I think the notion that any random wife would NECESSARILY notice right away that her husband is schizophrenic paranoid is... underestimating that problem.
 
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Well, I guess I should be thankful that people forget stuff. I'd be even more boring if everyone remembered that I wrote the same story about half a dozen times before :p
 
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